There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: A method of generating "flavored" words
From: Philip Newton
1b. Re: A method of generating "flavored" words
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz
1c. Re: A method of generating "flavored" words
From: Gary Shannon
2a. Re: Name clitics (was Re: USAGE: What gender is _Wikipedia_ in
From: Larry Sulky
2b. Re: Name clitics (was Re: USAGE: What gender is _Wikipedia_ in
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
3. Re: OT: English -uice
From: Adam Walker
4. Re: Relative clauses
From: Adam Walker
5a. Re: German conlangcon in August?
From: Henrik Theiling
5b. Re: German conlangcon in August?
From: Andreas Johansson
Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1a. Re: A method of generating "flavored" words
Posted by: "Philip Newton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 12:11 am (PDT)
On 8/5/06, Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> == English ==
> -> staleoventracity
> == Dutch ==
> -> knichtergaap
I shall have to try to incorporate those words into my discourse.
> Try it. You'll like it.
It does look like lots of fun!
Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Messages in this topic (4)
________________________________________________________________________
1b. Re: A method of generating "flavored" words
Posted by: "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 1:41 am (PDT)
Hi Gary,
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Gary Shannon, wrote:
>
> Here's an interesting procedure I stumbled upon while playing with word
generation. Take words from a
lnaguage whose flavor you wish to capture. This can be your own conlang to
generate "matching" words, or any natlang you would like to copy the flavor
of. Or it could even be a combination of two or more different natlangs to
get a blended flavor.
>
> Collect a few dozen or more words. Divide those words into VCV groups
where the V's represent ALL the adjacent vowels in a word and the C
represents ALL the adjacent consonants. For example, the English word
"miniature" would become "-mi", "inia", "iatu", and "ure". "school" would
become "-schoo" and "ool".
>
> These groups will be assembled together with other groups from other words
with the rule being that the complete set of adjacent ending vowels must
match the complete set of starting vowels for the attached group.
>
> Thus "inia" (from "miniature") could be followed by "iate" (from
"alleviate"), but it could NOT be followed by "ave" (from "have") because
"a" does not completely match "ia".
>
[snip examples]
Neat!
Got a script, say in Python?
Regards,
Yahya
--
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/409 - Release Date: 4/8/06
Messages in this topic (4)
________________________________________________________________________
1c. Re: A method of generating "flavored" words
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 2:22 pm (PDT)
--- Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Gary Shannon, wrote:
> >
> > Here's an interesting procedure I stumbled upon while playing with word
> generation.
> [snip examples]
>
> Neat!
>
> Got a script, say in Python?
>
> Regards,
> Yahya
>
I was thinking of writing it in Java since that would run on any platform.
--gary
Messages in this topic (4)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
2a. Re: Name clitics (was Re: USAGE: What gender is _Wikipedia_ in
Posted by: "Larry Sulky" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 5:37 am (PDT)
On 8/4/06, Jörg Rhiemeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
---SNIP---
> In my experimental speedtalk-type language X-3, all proper names begin and
> end with a glottal stop, which doesn't occur elsewhere in the language.
> So if you see a glottal stop, everything that follows is a proper name until
> you hit upon another glottal stop, beyond which everything are ordinary
> morphemes again. Proper names are the only class of morphemes in X-3 that are
> more than one phoneme long.
Jörg, how do you avoid glottal stops being "swallowed" by adjacent
consonants in ordinary morphemes? E.g.:
tos ?ana? ki
Wouldn't that sound exactly like:
tos ana ki
?
--larry
Messages in this topic (19)
________________________________________________________________________
2b. Re: Name clitics (was Re: USAGE: What gender is _Wikipedia_ in
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 1:43 pm (PDT)
Hallo!
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:21:45 -0400, Larry Sulky wrote:
> On 8/4/06, Jörg Rhiemeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ---SNIP---
> > In my experimental speedtalk-type language X-3, all proper names begin and
> > end with a glottal stop, which doesn't occur elsewhere in the language.
> > So if you see a glottal stop, everything that follows is a proper name
> > until
> > you hit upon another glottal stop, beyond which everything are ordinary
> > morphemes again. Proper names are the only class of morphemes in X-3 that
> > are
> > more than one phoneme long.
>
> Jörg, how do you avoid glottal stops being "swallowed" by adjacent
> consonants in ordinary morphemes? E.g.:
>
> tos ?ana? ki
>
> Wouldn't that sound exactly like:
>
> tos ana ki
>
> ?
The language would have to be pronounced in a way that you can tell where the
glottal stops are. "Swallowing" glottal stops is just plain WRONG, as is
inserting glottal stops just because you are used to, say, pronounce them
at the beginning of vowel-initial words. I admit that this is difficult to
someone not familiar with phonemic glottal stops, but keep in mind that X-3 is
a "speedtalk"-type language with very low redundancy and a huge phoneme
inventory. If you say that this is difficult and impractical, you are right;
it wasn't my intention at all to create a practical auxlang or anything like
that, I just wanted to explore what a language with monophonemic morphemes
could look like.
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
Messages in this topic (19)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
3. Re: OT: English -uice
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 9:50 am (PDT)
--- "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
and
> "suite" pronounced /sut/, a configuration of
> furniture (e.g. a
> "bedroom suite"). Somewhere along the way that last
> word began to be
> pronounced /swit/ also - presumably because it was
> always so in other
> parts of the country and the regional speech was
> moving toward
> conformity.
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Last I knew it was still pronounced /sut/ here in
Texas.
Adam
9 Debostu averuns judidu ul regu, vaderuns in al via, ed iñi! erad vidandu sis
al steja fi averuns spichudu in il ojindi, gata ad vinid ed pedizud subra jundi
fuid al credura.
10 Vidindu al steja, niregoderuns rexundimindi.
Machu 2:9-10
Messages in this topic (10)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
4. Re: Relative clauses
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 10:16 am (PDT)
--- caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> nibêes óósvi µêrsa = "cheetahs run swiftly" or "the
> cheetahs run
> swiftly."
>
> I want to use the preposed particle _im_ to do this.
> Thus:
> nibêes óósvi im µêrsa could only mean "cheetahs run
> swiftly."
Not cheetahs! Anything but cheetahs! God save me
from the cheetahs!
Adam who spent a good part of the spring reading 1500+
7th grade essays for a state mandated test 2/3 of
which featured the simile "fast as a cheetah"
9 Debostu averuns judidu ul regu, vaderuns in al via, ed iñi! erad vidandu sis
al steja fi averuns spichudu in il ojindi, gata ad vinid ed pedizud subra jundi
fuid al credura.
10 Vidindu al steja, niregoderuns rexundimindi.
Machu 2:9-10
Messages in this topic (20)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
5a. Re: German conlangcon in August?
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 2:20 pm (PDT)
Hi!
Carsten Becker writes:
>...
> (At work they have blocked GMail, GMX, Web.de and all those BTW -- I've been
> thinking about going nomail although I didn't want to.)
So many people leaving currently -- even if temporary, it's a pity. :-/
You do have an own domain, so can you not configure a mail account
there? (Of course, although it might get around the restrictions, it
is quite obvious that they do not want you to use private mail at
work...)
Will you have private internet access in the foreseeable future?
**Henrik
Messages in this topic (4)
________________________________________________________________________
5b. Re: German conlangcon in August?
Posted by: "Andreas Johansson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:12 pm (PDT)
Quoting Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi!
>
> Carsten Becker writes:
> >...
> > (At work they have blocked GMail, GMX, Web.de and all those BTW -- I've
> been
> > thinking about going nomail although I didn't want to.)
>
> So many people leaving currently -- even if temporary, it's a pity. :-/
Speaking of that, I'm leaving for a week on Monday - I'll be doing some
holidaying in Greece.
Andreas
Messages in this topic (4)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conlang/
<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
