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1a. Re: Weekly vocab revival?
From: Ph.D.
1b. Re: Weekly vocab revival?
From: Adam Walker
2a. Re: Huldre and memories of lost ethnic groups (was Re: Nimrina
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz
2b. Re: Huldre and memories of lost ethnic groups (was Re: Nimrina
From: Wesley Parish
2c. Re: Huldre and memories of lost ethnic groups (was Re: Nimrina
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
3a. Re: Comparison Þrjótrunn - Icelandic - Latin
From: Benct Philip Jonsson
3b. Re: Comparison Þrjótrunn - Icelandic - Latin
From: Henrik Theiling
4a. Re: Nimrina phonology
From: Benct Philip Jonsson
4b. Re: Nimrina phonology
From: Herman Miller
5. Atlantis (was Re: Nimrina phonology)
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
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1a. Re: Weekly vocab revival?
Posted by: "Ph.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:55 pm (PDT)
Tim May wrote:
>
> Ph.D. wrote at 2006-08-20 18:42:41 (-0400)
> >
> > Doesn't "napkin" normally mean "diaper" in the U.K.?
>
> No, it's always "nappy". Until you mentioned it, I wasn't
> even aware there was an etymological connection. I'd
> be _very_ surprised if someone used "napkin" to mean
> "diaper".
Interesting. There was a story here in the U.S. about U.K.
"napkin" which is apparently a myth just like the story that
the General Motors car called the Nova did not sell well
in South America.
The story is that a large American maker of paper dinner
napkins ran an advertisement in the U.K. that said their
product was "the best napkin at the dinner table," and
that Britons didn't buy that brand because "napkin" means
"diaper" there.
Oh, well. Thanks for the correction.
--Ph. D.
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1b. Re: Weekly vocab revival?
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:13 pm (PDT)
--- Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear fellow conlangers!
>
> Recently, I was thinking of reviving the weekly
> vocab. And the first
> step of continuation is, as we all know from TV, the
> rerun.
>
This is great. As everyone can see MY intentions of
reviving the tradition came to naught. I've been far
too busy with unemployment, spotty employment,
eviction notices and the dodging thereof, until 3
weeks ago when I finally got a full time job as an
English teacher at a small private school.
Now I have 6 preps every 2 days (block scheduling),
parents to email about missed homework assignments, a
Beta club to get started, a yearbook and school
newspaper to produce (or more accurately to supervise
the production of) and new details/duties poping up
left and right -- lunch duty, late afternoon duty,
morining duty, negotiating yearbook contracts,
redesigning curricula, devotionals (not for several
weeks yet), chapels (to attend for now, but to lead
later in the year) and there's always tomorrow for new
duties to pop up. I've already had one request to
start a drama club!
Adam the ever-busy
9 Debostu averuns judidu ul regu, vaderuns in al via, ed iñi! erad vidandu sis
al steja fi averuns spichudu in il ojindi, gata ad vinid ed pedizud subra jundi
fuid al credura.
10 Vidindu al steja, niregoderuns rexundimindi.
Machu 2:9-10
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2a. Re: Huldre and memories of lost ethnic groups (was Re: Nimrina
Posted by: "Yahya Abdal-Aziz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:48 pm (PDT)
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
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> Hallo!
>
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:28:11 +0200, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
>
> > As may be found if one googles for "huldre" and its
> > synonyms there is a theory that the Hidden People
> > reflect a memory of a pre-Germanic population.
>
> This is similar to what I think what "Elves" (as in Germanic and Celtic
> mythology) actually are: a memory of an ancient civilization that existed
on
> the British Isles (_Alfheim_ = Britain; _Inis Albion_ means 'Island of the
> Elves') more than 2000 years ago. Of course, these "Elves" were ordinary
> humans, not some strange kind of "demihuman" species. They may also be
the
> Hyperboreans of Greek myth, and the original Atlanteans. This is the idea
> that underlies my own Albic conlang project.
>
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
So, Jörg - any chance the "elves" were the Picts of
mysterious memory? (Tho if they were Atlanteans,
perhaps the cultural levels would be too far apart.)
Regards,
Yahya
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2b. Re: Huldre and memories of lost ethnic groups (was Re: Nimrina
Posted by: "Wesley Parish" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:43 am (PDT)
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:11, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> Hallo!
>
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:28:11 +0200, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
> > As may be found if one googles for "huldre" and its
> > synonyms there is a theory that the Hidden People
> > reflect a memory of a pre-Germanic population.
>
> This is similar to what I think what "Elves" (as in Germanic and Celtic
> mythology) actually are: a memory of an ancient civilization that existed
> on the British Isles (_Alfheim_ = Britain; _Inis Albion_ means 'Island of
> the Elves') more than 2000 years ago. Of course, these "Elves" were
> ordinary humans, not some strange kind of "demihuman" species. They may
> also be the Hyperboreans of Greek myth, and the original Atlanteans. This
> is the idea that underlies my own Albic conlang project.
>
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
FWLIW, I think that's a common theme throughout the world. The masalai
(woodland spirits) in PNG are probably the memories (turned into traditions)
of encountering erectines in the Malay/Indonesian peninsular, as it would
have been at that time.
I suspect that neandertal encounters would have supplied the bulk of the story
behind the trolls and other woodland spirits of European culture. And human
cultures of a earlier material cultural level would have provided the story
for the "elves" - in particular their aversion to iron. An iron spearhead is
toxic to anyone on the receiving end of it! ;)
Wesley Parish
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You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku ki ana, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
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2c. Re: Huldre and memories of lost ethnic groups (was Re: Nimrina
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:38 am (PDT)
Hallo!
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:35:14 +1000, Yahya Abdal-Aziz wrote:
> So, Jörg - any chance the "elves" were the Picts of
> mysterious memory? (Tho if they were Atlanteans,
> perhaps the cultural levels would be too far apart.)
In my fancy (it is way too speculative to call it a "theory"), there were
two pre-Celtic groups in the British Isles which may be called "Elves" and
"Dwarves". The Picts were a coalition of "Elves", "Dwarves" and Celts who
had moved north to escape the Romans.
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:23:53 +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:
> FWLIW, I think that's a common theme throughout the world. The masalai
> (woodland spirits) in PNG are probably the memories (turned into traditions)
> of encountering erectines in the Malay/Indonesian peninsular, as it would
> have been at that time.
Possible. Another example are the Ebu Gogo on Flores, who possibly are
Homo floresiensis.
> I suspect that neandertal encounters would have supplied the bulk of the
> story
> behind the trolls and other woodland spirits of European culture. And human
> cultures of a earlier material cultural level would have provided the story
> for the "elves" - in particular their aversion to iron. An iron spearhead
> is
> toxic to anyone on the receiving end of it! ;)
Possible.
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
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3a. Re: Comparison Þrjótrunn - Icelandic - Latin
Posted by: "Benct Philip Jonsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:44 am (PDT)
Sorry for late reply. I had saved the mail
as a draft instead of sending it off!
Henricus Theillinus scripsit:
> Hi!
>
> Benct Philip Jonsson writes:
>> Henrik Theiling skrev:
>> ...
>>> http://www.kunstsprachen.de/s17/s_01.html#03
>>> Comments?
>> Mjög gaman! At first I thought "Hey, there *is*
>> a Latin word for 'birch'!" but on looking it up
>> I found that BETULA/BETULUS (with numerous variants
>> in Romance *here* is a loan from Gaulish into
>> Latin, so it's actually quite reasonable that
>> your 'North Romance' borrowed its word for
>> this tree from Germanic.
>
> Exactly. I had already sound shifted 'betula' when I noticed that it
> is unlikely to having been borrowed when the first written appearance
> (that we know of) was ~50 BCE. Probably it was not the most used
> word, but birch trees are quite common in the North, therefore, it was
> quickly borrowed from the local Germanic word.
No matter when BETULA is attested, it is unlikely that
the Germanic-substrate Romance *there* would use a
Gaulish loan-word.
I must remember to have the Slavic word for 'birch'
in Slvanjek. BTW how do you handle the points of the
compass, where Romance *here* uses Germanic loans?
I used Slavic loans in Slvanjek. (However the
problem in the Þrjótrunn universe is rather what
the South Romance languages *there* use. Italian
has the alternatives _levante_, _ponente_ and
_messogiorno(*)_, but I don't know if there is
any alternative for 'north'.
(* Curiously _mezzogiorno_ shows the same semantic
development as Latin _meridies_, but was compounded
anew from the Romance words for 'mid-day'. Apparently
_meridies_ remained transparent in spite of the odd
*d > r dissmilation.)
>
>> And how does _animal_ become _aðal_? I can see
>> unstressed posttonic _nim_ become _nn_, but whence
>> _nn_ > _ð_?
>> ...
>
> Some words shifted /nm/ > /Dm/. The /m/ dropped in forms with double
> syncope */aDmli/ > /aDli/, simplifying the cluster, and this spread to
> the unsyncopated forms, too.
>
> It may well be that there are few (or no?) Germanic word were /nm/ >
> /Dm/ happened, since I did not find one with -nVm- in the stem just
> now. (I should have added examples to *every* rule. Grrrr.)
>
> Anyway, similar effects happened in /nnr/ > /Dr/ (*mannr > maDr) and
> maybe in /mn/ > /fn/ (*nemni > nefni).
Yes, I knew about *nnr > Dr, but have missed *nm > *Dm,
though I guess English _fathom_ and Icelandic _faðm_
against Swedish _famn_ may be an instance.
As for *mn it first merged with */bn/ and then became [vn]
along with it, or in the light of Icelandic [nab_0n] the
[B] never became labiodental in this combo in that language.
BTW the spelling _napn_ occurs in Old Swedish in spite of
modern Swedish _namn_ and Danish _navn_, so clearly we have
an archiphoneme here!
>> But it would become _agnial_ [a'Jal] or _anal_ in R3, so who am I to
>> complain!? ;-) (In actual fact _agniáille_ < ANIMALIA or the boring
>> _best_ < BESTIA are both more likely. After all no language is
>> likely to tolerate a merger or near merger of the words for 'animal'
>> and 'sheep/lamb' -- cf. Gascon were 'rooster' is from VICARIUS
>> because GALLUS merged with CATTUS!
In fact, in the light of French _âme_ < ANIMA, N'M became _mm_
rather than _nn_ in Vulgar Latin, so R3 should have _amu > amo_
(with the plural _emu > eme_ by analogy), or _amaille_ with the
analogical plural _ameill > amaill_. Apparently R3 will have
a number of feminines where the numbers are distinguished only
by the 'loss' of _-e_ in the plural, which also means that some
feminine plurals will look like the corresponding masculine singular.
> Yes, that's a funny one. :-)
>
> I'm also having some problems of this kind with a/o-declension pairs
> in Þrjótrunn, e.g. 'filia' vs. 'filius'. Latin only had to
> disambiguate the dat.pl. in -i:s (there is 'filia:bus' for this
> reason). But in Þrjótrunn, many more forms collapse.
Perhaps 'daughter' is from FILIOLA while 'son' is from
FILIUS. BTW have a look at 'Knabe' and 'Mädchen' in the
all too scanty German-Romance index at the end of Meyer-
Lübke's dictionary.
> Maybe the u-declension, which has a small revival for tree names
> (e.g. björk) will take over the function of disambiguating feminines
> that are important to be distinguished from the masculine. However,
> the nom.sg. and acc.sg. are identical to 2nd decl. masc. forms, so
> this is not too good an idea. Actually any declension class shift
> would leave at least the acc.sg. identical. So more probably I will
> have to use completely different words, but that's a bit unelegant.
> Any other ideas?
It is notable that Romance languages where -a was
preserved felt the need for other feminine-deriving
suffixes. Italian has several feminine-deriving
suffixes -- notably _-ina_ which is similar to
Icelandic _-ynja_ in _Ásynja_ and _apynja_. The
latter was borrowed into Finnish as _apina_, so
probably there was an *-ina variant in Old
Scandinavian too. In fact _-ina_ had some
productivity in Classical Latin when deriving
feminines from masculines in -A (AGRIPPINA
the younger being most notorious, apparently
responsible for messing up her son Nero!)
I don't know if it was used for common nouns
like AGRICOLA. I guess we'll have to ask Ray
when he gets back!
> Ah, and 'cattus' is another Latin loan in Icelandic, so I can quite
> safely enter a new word (köttur) into the lexicon. :-)
Shouldn't it be _kattur_, as there is no reason to
suppose it became a u-stem in Northern Romance *there*?
> **Henrik
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"Maybe" is a strange word. When mum or dad says it
it means "yes", but when my big brothers say it it
means "no"!
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3b. Re: Comparison Þrjótrunn - Icelandic - Latin
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:25 am (PDT)
Hi!
Benct Philip Jonsson writes:
>...
> No matter when BETULA is attested, it is unlikely that
> the Germanic-substrate Romance *there* would use a
> Gaulish loan-word.
Of course, that is the main reason: when someone invades places that
have strange plants, the local name may get a change. And Gaulish has
only minor influence on the vocab.
> I must remember to have the Slavic word for 'birch' in Slvanjek.
> BTW how do you handle the points of the compass, where Romance
> *here* uses Germanic loans?
I have thought about that, but did not yet decide anything, waiting
for further input -- maybe I read something accidentally, or someone
mentions something. E.g.:
> I used Slavic loans in Slvanjek. (However the problem in the
> Þrjótrunn universe is rather what the South Romance languages
> *there* use. Italian has the alternatives _levante_, _ponente_ and
> _messogiorno(*)_, but I don't know if there is any alternative for
> 'north'.
That's interesting and will be piled on the heap of information needed
to come to a conclusion. :-)
BTW, one recent decision was about the 'leg'. VL '*gamba' from
Gaulish, too, and I did not like the 'perna' that is used in Sp. and
Port. Now Þrjótrunn is the only (known) language (yet) which uses
'cru:s' (shank) for 'leg', which becomes 'krýr'.
>...
> >> And how does _animal_ become _aðal_? I can see
> >> unstressed posttonic _nim_ become _nn_, but whence
> >> _nn_ > _ð_?
> >> ...
> > Some words shifted /nm/ > /Dm/. The /m/ dropped in forms with double
> > syncope */aDmli/ > /aDli/, simplifying the cluster, and this spread to
> > the unsyncopated forms, too.
>...
>
> Yes, I knew about *nnr > Dr, but have missed *nm > *Dm,
> though I guess English _fathom_ and Icelandic _faðm_
> against Swedish _famn_ may be an instance.
The alternative would have been to use /nm/ > /mm/, which is given
some likelyness by Noreen (who also states that /nm/ > /nn/ is
unlikely for some reason). Anyway, this is a borderline case with
obviously few examples in Germanic.
>...
> As for *mn it first merged with */bn/ and then became [vn]
> along with it, or in the light of Icelandic [nab_0n] the
> [B] never became labiodental in this combo in that language.
>...
I just tried to keep my post brief. :-)
>...
> > Yes, that's a funny one. :-)
> > I'm also having some problems of this kind with a/o-declension pairs
> > in Þrjótrunn, e.g. 'filia' vs. 'filius'. Latin only had to
> > disambiguate the dat.pl. in -i:s (there is 'filia:bus' for this
> > reason). But in Þrjótrunn, many more forms collapse.
>
> Perhaps 'daughter' is from FILIOLA while 'son' is from
> FILIUS. BTW have a look at 'Knabe' and 'Mädchen' in the
> all too scanty German-Romance index at the end of Meyer-
> Lübke's dictionary.
Ah, thanks. Will do that as soon as the bookbinders gives back my
repaired book. :-) (For filius/filiola, this will probably create
a -l- vs -ll- contrast. Funny. :-))
>... _-ina_ ...
That's also interesting. :-)
> > Ah, and 'cattus' is another Latin loan in Icelandic, so I can quite
> > safely enter a new word (köttur) into the lexicon. :-)
>
> Shouldn't it be _kattur_, as there is no reason to
> suppose it became a u-stem in Northern Romance *there*?
Hmm? I think I don't understand. It's a normal masculine noun of the
2nd declension. The stem is 'katt-'.
**Henrik
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4a. Re: Nimrina phonology
Posted by: "Benct Philip Jonsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:07 am (PDT)
Herman Miller skrev:
> Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
>
>> Or maybe it still is /dl/! BTW if Nimrína is
>> supposed in Scandinavia -- *here* or somewhere
>> *else* -- it might be a good touch to have an
>> [r`] allophone of /l/, since [r`] for historical
>> reasons functions as an allophone of /l/ in many
>> Swedish and Norwegian dialects. At some point
>> /rD/ became [r`], and at some later point this
>> /r`/ and /l/ merged in some or all positions,
>> leaving [r`] as the *only* allophone of /l/ in
>> many dialects. (I myself have for some reason
>> [r`] for /l/ only after labials, and [d`] for
>> */rD/!) The putative presence in Scandinavia of
>> a language without an r/l distinction may serve
>> to 'explain' these strange historical mergers! :-)
>
> In that case, I could have [r`] in place of [4] as the intervocalic
> allophone of /l/. Or it could vary depending on the vowels. I seem to be
> having a little difficulty pronouncing "tilin" (small) as [t_jir`in].
> But pronouncing "hlýlu" (leaf) as [K1:r`u] or "zelen" (feather) as
> [zEr`En] seems easier.
Hm, I can't feel any difference, but then I've been able
to imitate Swedish all-[r`] dialects since I was a kid.
BTW there are Dalecarlian dialects that have [d`] for
word-initial /l/, whereas [d`] would elswhere occur for
*ld or in [n`d`] < *rnd, or for *rD where it does not
become [r`] in Swedish dialects.
>>> The absence of males in Swedish legend could simply be a result of
>>> the rarity of encountering one in the first place.
>>
>> Yes, or maybe there is greater morphological difference
>> between the sexes in huldrer than in humans, e.g. the
>> males may be wholly fur-coated while the females are
>> partially naked and so more human-like. This may
>> cause humans not to recognize that they are the same
>> species. It might also mean that while the females
>> appear sexually enticing to humans the males don't,
>> and are perhaps not perceived as human-like at all.
>> More on that below.
>
> Interesting idea, but I was thinking more of people who could pass
> themselves off as human (if they wear clothing that hides their tails).
> Maybe a small group of them could have come across the Atlantic with the
> other Scandinavian immigrants to the US.
I see, but the males could still be more hairy than the
females, as even human males tend to be hairier than
human females, as long as they have execcively 'too
much' facial hair -- which could anyway be shaved off
in order to appear more human. In fact the tail would
be more of a problem to a male, since 19th century human
males would wear trousers, while women would wear skirts
(even several of them). Even possible pointed and hairy
ears would be less of a problem, since a male could wear
a (knitted) cap among humans, although it would be more
normal for women of the time to wear a headcloth at all
times. I suppose you read the story about the boy who
politely pointed out that the _skogsfru_'s 'underskirt'
showed?
>
>> I can't help think of images I've seen of American Indians
>> wearing wolf skins with the wolf's head as a hood and the
>> tail hanging down their back. In Norse tradition there is
>> the _úlfheðinn_, a berserk in hairy wolfskin jacket. There
>> are archeological finds depicting such figures, looking
>> like men with wolfs head and tail(*). Maybe this is the male
>> of the species. The thought that the male of the species
>> is behind the belief in werewolves would not be too great
>> a leap! There is _huldumaðr_ 'cairn-troll' in my Old Norse
>> to Norwegian dictionary, but that would seem to relate
>> primarily to the Irish-influenced Icelandic huldufólk.
>
> But this brings up another possibility; they may have had populations in
> both continents from way back in the Atlantean days (if I go with the
> idea that they're related to the Atlanteans).
In which case they would probably have several languages too.
There isn't even any guarantee that Atlantis had only one language!
BTW I wondered why _Atlantean_ is used for 'of Atlantis'
in English, when _Atlanteus_ actually meant 'of the Atlas
mountains' in Latin -- thinking that 'of Atlantis' ought to
be _Atlantidian_ --, but it seems _Atlanteios_ is the adjective
actually used by Plato! FWIW my pet theory is that Atlantis
was located in the pre-desiccation Sahara basin, but that
they for whatever reason preferred to sail by the pillars
of Hercules rather than from the Mediterranean coast of Africa.
And nothing would have technically stopped them from sailing
across the ocean either. This is at least as likely as
a large island sinking into the Atlantic within the last
ten thousand years!
--
/BP 8^)>
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Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se
"Maybe" is a strange word. When mum or dad says it
it means "yes", but when my big brothers say it it
means "no"!
(Philip Jonsson jr, age 7)
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4b. Re: Nimrina phonology
Posted by: "Herman Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:22 pm (PDT)
Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
> Herman Miller skrev:
>> In that case, I could have [r`] in place of [4] as the intervocalic
>> allophone of /l/. Or it could vary depending on the vowels. I seem to
>> be having a little difficulty pronouncing "tilin" (small) as
>> [t_jir`in]. But pronouncing "hlýlu" (leaf) as [K1:r`u] or "zelen"
>> (feather) as [zEr`En] seems easier.
>
> Hm, I can't feel any difference, but then I've been able
> to imitate Swedish all-[r`] dialects since I was a kid.
> BTW there are Dalecarlian dialects that have [d`] for
> word-initial /l/, whereas [d`] would elswhere occur for
> *ld or in [n`d`] < *rnd, or for *rD where it does not
> become [r`] in Swedish dialects.
I suppose the difficulty comes from the contortions required to rapidly
change from [t_j] to [r`] while keeping the [i] distinct from [1].
Lengthening the [i] seems to make it easier. But maybe it's one of those
things that improves with practice.
> I see, but the males could still be more hairy than the
> females, as even human males tend to be hairier than
> human females, as long as they have execcively 'too
> much' facial hair -- which could anyway be shaved off
> in order to appear more human. In fact the tail would
> be more of a problem to a male, since 19th century human
> males would wear trousers, while women would wear skirts
> (even several of them). Even possible pointed and hairy
> ears would be less of a problem, since a male could wear
> a (knitted) cap among humans, although it would be more
> normal for women of the time to wear a headcloth at all
> times. I suppose you read the story about the boy who
> politely pointed out that the _skogsfru_'s 'underskirt'
> showed?
Yes, I saw that on the Wikipedia page. At least that confirms that the
females can pass as human if suitably dressed. I figure the males would
need to wear long overcoats to hide their tails. But it would certainly
be easier for the females.
>> But this brings up another possibility; they may have had populations
>> in both continents from way back in the Atlantean days (if I go with
>> the idea that they're related to the Atlanteans).
>
> In which case they would probably have several languages too.
> There isn't even any guarantee that Atlantis had only one language!
Well, I may have misinterpreted Jörg's post in the other thread. I
thought he was saying the pre-Germanic population (which the huldror /
huldre(r) are theorized to be memories of) may also have been behind the
legends of Atlantis. But it's possible he meant that his "Elves" may
have been the original Atlanteans.
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5. Atlantis (was Re: Nimrina phonology)
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:38 am (PDT)
Hallo!
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:04:52 +0200, Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
> FWIW my pet theory is that Atlantis
> was located in the pre-desiccation Sahara basin, but that
> they for whatever reason preferred to sail by the pillars
> of Hercules rather than from the Mediterranean coast of Africa.
> And nothing would have technically stopped them from sailing
> across the ocean either. This is at least as likely as
> a large island sinking into the Atlantic within the last
> ten thousand years!
It is. We can be sure that *no* large island sank into the Atlantic
anywhen within human history - the geologists would have found traces
of such a disaster by now, and they didn't. (The Bahamas are often
mentioned. There was indeed a larger island there during the last
Ice Age, which was inundated but only very slowly. And it doesn't
resemble Plato's Atlantis well.)
My pet theory is that Atlantis was located in the British Isles, which
fit Plato's description quite well and indeed lie "beyond the Pillars
of Hercules".
... brought to by the Weeping Elf
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