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1. Insanely many phonemes (was Re: Tonal inflection?)
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
2a. Re: Invented Languages receives its ISSN
From: Rick Harrison
3a. Re: Average life of a conlang
From: Lars Finsen
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1. Insanely many phonemes (was Re: Tonal inflection?)
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:42 am ((PDT))
Hallo!
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:13:18 -0400, John Vertical wrote:
> I tried constructing a "maximal" phoneme inventory a while ago, too. I had a
> few thousand non-click consonants defined before abandoning the thought.
>
> The 144 labial stops, for example, were constructed as
> {bilabial stop, labiodental affricate} * {plain, prenasalized} * {plain,
> palatalized} * {plain, labialized} * {voiced, prevoiced, unvoiced} * {plain,
> aspirated, glottalized}. A maximally horrendous example phoneme might be
> /mbf_>_j_w/.
144 LABIAL STOPS!?! Jeepers Creepers! Not even Danny Wier would
dare that in his best days :) This way, you could indeed come up
with more than 1000 consonants, and implement Speedtalk with
not-too-restricted set of roots. (An idea to pursue in X-3, my
speedtalk-type engelang, though.)
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2a. Re: Invented Languages receives its ISSN
Posted by: "Rick Harrison" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:37 pm ((PDT))
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:13:44 +0100, David McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>If it's published in the USA, aren't you legally obliged to deposit it?
>All European national libraries (as far as I know) get all new
>publications by legal deposit.
I was unaware of it but the US also has such a requirement. Details are
available at http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ07d.html
There are a lot of daily and weekly newspapers and regional monthlies in the
US. I wonder if the Library of Congress is actually receiving copies of all
of them -- it seems like the sheer volume of material would be impossible to
store.
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3a. Re: Average life of a conlang
Posted by: "Lars Finsen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:43 am ((PDT))
Logan Kearsley wrote:
> quoting Jörg Rhiemeier:
>> I know very well what you are talking about. It is similar with
>> me and Old Albic. Whenever I find out something about the language,
>> it feels more like *discovering* something that has always been there
>> than like *inventing* something that has never before been anywhere.
>
> I love it when that happens. Had it happen to me just yesterday, in
> fact, when I discovered the difference between formal prose and poetic
> forms of relative clauses in one of my langs.
I love it, too. So much that I actively encourage it to happen, by
giving authority to existing material and approaching the work rather
more as a medium than as a creator. This effect is reinforced by the
fact that I produced a lot of this material in my youth, decades ago,
and I don't remember the creation process well any more. Years tend
to bestow authority on any creation anyway.
Yesterday I uploaded the first online geographical information about
Uriania on http://www.ortygia.no/uriania/geografi-eng.html
Here are listed nearly all the place-names I know about. The only
ones omitted here are those that I feel certain are parts of towns.
There may be some more that ought to be removed for that reason, and
there may be a small number that has been removed mistakenly. There
are also a small number of place names I believe to exist in sources
that I haven't explored yet.
I have made careful adjustments to a few of the names. After all, the
first of them came up before I was 10 years old and some of them have
an undeniable aura of naivety about them. In some cases the Urianians
living there will have to live with that, but in others I have
tentatively decided to relieve them from it, and maybe some more will
suffer that fate. I still have the original names on paper anyway.
This work that I did yesterday also gave me another valuable insight
in Urianian linguistics. I was surprised to see so many Urianian
names in districts where Urianian isn't spoken anymore. Almost
invariably these are small places, with the exception of the biggish
town Canton - probably Kondaton formerly.
The thing with these names is that the numerous composite ones of
them don't at all show the same signs of eliding the IE composition
vowel like the ones in Uriania proper do. Formerly I thought this was
an old change and even included it in Proto-Urianian (which I have
called Old Urianian here before). Now it seems to be recent, so I
have some revising to do in my oldest texts. Onomastics, too. I guess
now the PLN Ursamsa will be Urusamsa, and the PN Ebergantos will be
Eberogantos, for example. I face a struggle with the metrics of the
poetry.
Some statistics of probable Urianian names: Byntland east: 23%,
south: 15%, west: 42%, north: 45%; Azuria southeast: 39%, but all off
shore, south: 36%, southwest: 12%, northeast: 30%, north: 36%,
northwest: 37%; Urduk region: 95%, Xeria region: 98%, rest of Uriania
proper: 100%.
LEF
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