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1. META: test, ignore
From: deinx nxtxr
2a. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
From: Benct Philip Jonsson
2b. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
From: Dirk Elzinga
3. Re: CONLANG Digest - 18 Sep 2008 to 19 Sep 2008 (#2008-259)
From: John H. Chalmers
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1. META: test, ignore
Posted by: "deinx nxtxr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:30 am ((PDT))
Just testing. For some reason my subscription keeps disconnecting since
changing addresses.
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2a. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
Posted by: "Benct Philip Jonsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:02 am ((PDT))
On 2008-09-19 Paul Bennett wrote:
> AFAICT /hor\s/ vs /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ or something similar.
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> There's also the (perhaps only stereotypical modernly) /hOs/ for the
> former in Southwestern (or Old Western?) USAian, but I'm not sure what
> the HOARSE would be for that. Maybe /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ again?
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There used to be [hOr\s] or [hQr\s] vs. [hors]
in some US speech and [hO:s] vs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in RP.
It was all but died out according to Wells in
the early eighties.
/BP
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2b. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
Posted by: "Dirk Elzinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:38 am ((PDT))
It's still alive and well in Utah, where it is a marker for the local
variety (especially Central Utah). The situation, as I understand it, is
that the low back vowels [A, Q, O] collapsed in two different ways in
Midwestern (US) English. Before /r/, the vowels [Q, O] merged to [O] (or
[o]), but elsewhere [A] and [Q] merged to [A], leaving behind [A] and [O]
(or [o]). The pre-/r/ merger wasn't complete in Utah English (neither was
the [A]/[Q] merger), and in recent decades has even begun to reverse itself.
Along with the pre-lateral laxing found in much of the Western United
States, it makes for some interesting spellings. A colleague saw a sign that
read "HOARSE for SELL" just a few miles south of where I live.
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Benct Philip Jonsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On 2008-09-19 Paul Bennett wrote:
>
>> AFAICT /hor\s/ vs /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ or something similar.
>>
>> There's also the (perhaps only stereotypical modernly) /hOs/ for the
>> former in Southwestern (or Old Western?) USAian, but I'm not sure what
>> the HOARSE would be for that. Maybe /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ again?
>>
>>
> There used to be [hOr\s] or [hQr\s] vs. [hors]
> in some US speech and [hO:s] vs. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in RP.
> It was all but died out according to Wells in
> the early eighties.
>
> /BP
>
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3. Re: CONLANG Digest - 18 Sep 2008 to 19 Sep 2008 (#2008-259)
Posted by: "John H. Chalmers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:35 pm ((PDT))
I had a first grade teacher near the end of the Pleistocene who didn't
believe that words like steel, steal, seal, etc. were disyllabic, at
least in our Nebraska dialect.
--john
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