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1a. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
From: Mark J. Reed
1b. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
From: Dirk Elzinga
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1a. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
Posted by: "Mark J. Reed" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:08 pm ((PDT))
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Dirk Elzinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it makes for some interesting spellings. A colleague saw a sign that
> read "HOARSE for SELL" just a few miles south of where I live.
I'm confused. Wouldn't that misspelling of HOARSE for HORSE be *less*
likely somewhere that maintains the pronunciation distinction?
We have the SALE/SELL merger in the Southeast, too, but in the other
direction;they're both pronounced almost bisyllabically, something
like /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/.
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Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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1b. Re: [CHAT] Pre-Kindergarten diphthong analysis
Posted by: "Dirk Elzinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:45 pm ((PDT))
The problem is that there is a recognition that the vowels here are
different, but it's not clear which direction the difference goes. We get
the same problem with the near-merger of [A] and [O] in non-rhotic
environments (cot~caught); people know that there's a distinction, but they
reverse the vowels because the distinction is not very salient (though
statistically robust). The same thing happens with [Ar] and [Qr]; there's a
distinction, but the difference is subtle and they get reversed. A phrase
that is commonly used to ridicule the local accent is "born in a barn" but
switched to "barn in a born", which is supposed to reflect the "Utah"
pronunciation.
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Dirk Elzinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > it makes for some interesting spellings. A colleague saw a sign that
> > read "HOARSE for SELL" just a few miles south of where I live.
>
> I'm confused. Wouldn't that misspelling of HOARSE for HORSE be *less*
> likely somewhere that maintains the pronunciation distinction?
>
> We have the SALE/SELL merger in the Southeast, too, but in the other
> direction;they're both pronounced almost bisyllabically, something
> like /[EMAIL PROTECTED]/.
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
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