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1.1. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
1.2. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Gary Shannon
1.3. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Adam Walker
1.4. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Matthew Turnbull
1.5. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
1.6. Con-crackpotry (was: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender))
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
1.7. Re: Con-crackpotry (was: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender))
From: Adam Walker
1.8. Re: Con-crackpotry (was: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender))
From: Matthew Turnbull
1.9. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Padraic Brown
1.10. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Padraic Brown
1.11. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Puey McCleary
1.12. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Gary Shannon
1.13. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Adam Walker
1.14. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Sam Stutter
1.15. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Padraic Brown
1.16. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Adam Walker
1.17. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Roger Mills
1.18. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
From: Wesley Parish
1.19. The Disk (was: Phaistive Fun)
From: Ray Brown
1.20. Re: The Disk (was: Phaistive Fun)
From: Michael Everson
2.1. Re: Bulyer-Lytton's Constructed Language
From: Fredrik Ekman
2.2. Re: Bulyer-Lytton's Constructed Language
From: Roger Mills
3.1. Re: Grammatical gender (was: Chat. Don't join if you don't have the
From: BPJ
4.1. Re: Grammatical gender
From: BPJ
4.2. Re: Grammatical gender
From: Puey McCleary
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1.1. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:04 am ((PST))
Hallo conlangers!
On Tuesday 13 December 2011 21:05:57 R A Brown wrote:
> On 13/12/2011 17:44, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> > Hallo conlangers!
>
> [snip]
>
> >>> The less is known about a matter, the more crackpots
> >>> write about it ;)
> >>
> >> Of course - like the Phaistos Disk :-D
> >
> > Is there any other inscription that attracted more
> > decipherment attempts than this one?
>
> Possibly not. Those interested may like to visit:
> http://users.otenet.gr/~svoronan/phaistos.htm
The biggest kook among those is perhaps Andis Kaulins (item 3),
who claims that the disc contains the proof of the axiom of
parallels - which *cannot* be proven, as mathematicians have
found out centuries ago: there are perfectly consistent
geometries without it (so-called "non-Euclidean" geometries,
e.g. the geometry on the surface of a sphere). I know his
site; that guy must be constantly smoking some really weird
mushrooms!
(I haven't gone through his "proof", but those "proofs" are
always of the same sort: they make use of some other theorem
that presupposes the theorem they are trying to prove, thus
they are circular and therefore completely useless.)
> > And perhaps it is just a game board,
>
> See:
> http://www.recoveredscience.com/phaistoscontents.htm
Just that was what I had in mind.
> > or a forgery made by a trickster who was just pulling the
> > linguists' legs!
>
> I suspect it is a forgery.
Surely, its provenience is uncertain, and it may be just as well
foreign to Crete as it could be native; alas, we don't know. It
is not inconceivable that it is a forgery; but I'd rather not be
that rash with such a suspicion. It is all too often taken
recourse to by stubbornly conservative scholars (and crackpots!)
who are confronted with evidence that challenges their assumptions.
> But it is quite easy to "translate":
> 1. Decide what language the inscription is written in
> (obviously your favorite conlang)
>
> 2. Now identify all the objects represented by the glyphs by
> their names in that language (a bit of imagination is helpful)
>
> 3. Assume the glyphs represent CV syllables in the manner of
> Linear A (presumably), Linear B and the Cretan syllabary and
> abstract such syllables from the names you've identified for
> each glyph.
>
> 4. Now read off each word; make assumptions about the
> 'missing consonants' (use the conventions of Linear B and
> the Cretan syllabary for guidance - but don't feel bound by
> them!)
>
> 5. Et voilà! You have "proved" that the inscription is
> written that language!
>
> Who knows - you my find something seasonal. Maybe it is an
> ancient mid-winter carol, or a song about Santa etc.
Sure. Maybe I'll try reading something in an ancient form of
Albic out of it some day - but for now, I have enough other
things to do.
> If a conlangers find themselves together over the
> festive season, it would make a nice little party game -
> prizes for the most bizarre translations :)
A good suggestion indeed ;)
> The glyphs and the inscriptions are helpfully given on:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc
>
> See what fun you can have with the Phaistos Disk over
> festive season (or should that be Phaistive season?): it you
> both a board games and a conlang translation exercise :)
Sure.
On Tuesday 13 December 2011 22:33:21 Gary Shannon wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:05 PM, R A Brown <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > On 13/12/2011 17:44, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> >
> > See:
> > http://www.recoveredscience.com/phaistoscontents.htm
>
> Clearly it's in Rongorongo and chronicles a voyage to Easter Island.
>
> You only have to compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc
> to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongorongo
>
> to see the two are the same language. ;-)
Ah, Rongorongo - which shows that a script can withstand decipherment
attempts even if the language is known! I have heard claims that it
was related to the Indus Valley script, but that's of course utter
nutballs - the Rongorongo script certainly hails from Mu ;)
--
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"Bêsel asa Êm, a Êm atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Êmel." - SiM 1:1
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1.2. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:00 am ((PST))
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hallo conlangers!
...
>
> Ah, Rongorongo - which shows that a script can withstand decipherment
> attempts even if the language is known! I have heard claims that it
> was related to the Indus Valley script, but that's of course utter
> nutballs - the Rongorongo script certainly hails from Mu ;)
Ah, but what if Rongorongo comes originally from Venus, via the BSB
(Benevolent Space Brothers)? Think how much fun would it be to design
the Venusian ancestral language from which Rongorongo descended?
--gary
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1.3. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:25 am ((PST))
Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we have in the
extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the mermaid
mythology. The Women of Lemuria were known for their skill as navagators
and swimmers (a rare enough skill in the ancient world, even among
sailors). The Lemur-maids, whose name was reinterpreted as _la mer maids_
by illiterate sailors, naturally got misrepresented in retelling after
retelling until you have the stories of today. A race of female navagators
and swimmers whose home sank below the waves naturally gave rise to myths
of women who were half fish and drug sailors to their deaths beneath the
waves.
Now, while the contents of the Rongorongo texts is not yet fully
deciphered, what HAS been deciphered is enough to give tantalizing hints of
the advanced psychic technology the Lemurians once possesed, which is how
Rongorongo connects to the Phaistos disc, which is, itself, a map to
hyperspacial coordinates which will allow us to reconnect with the ancient
astronauts who engeniered our rise as a species, once our brains are
sufficiently evolved, which may be just at hand now, as the Mayan callendar
CLEARLY shows.
It's just astonishing how a group of otherwise intelligent people like
Conlangers can be so easily decieved into believing the most rediculous
things about our ancient extraterrestrial heritage. Board games indeed!
Indus valley, absurd! Our alien bretheren blush at our ignorance.
Adam who can't tell if he was just channelling Padraic or Puey on that one
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Hallo conlangers!
> ...
> >
> > Ah, Rongorongo - which shows that a script can withstand decipherment
> > attempts even if the language is known! I have heard claims that it
> > was related to the Indus Valley script, but that's of course utter
> > nutballs - the Rongorongo script certainly hails from Mu ;)
>
> Ah, but what if Rongorongo comes originally from Venus, via the BSB
> (Benevolent Space Brothers)? Think how much fun would it be to design
> the Venusian ancestral language from which Rongorongo descended?
>
> --gary
>
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1.4. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:06 pm ((PST))
This leads me to wonder, does anyone have crackpot theories in thier
conworld, weather they are regarded as such there or not. I suspect
Jorayn speakers would have some, but I've never put anythought into
it. They probably belive some people can turn into animals. They do
100% belive plants know more than it seems and shamans/spirituals will
consult difficult decisions with ancient trees (who are old, and have
seen much). Also they're a little xenophobic and are outright racist
against whites, they belive all kinds of typical nonsense about them,
can't be trusted, steal, lye, etc.
On 12/14/11, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
> Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we have in the
> extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the mermaid
> mythology. The Women of Lemuria were known for their skill as navagators
> and swimmers (a rare enough skill in the ancient world, even among
> sailors). The Lemur-maids, whose name was reinterpreted as _la mer maids_
> by illiterate sailors, naturally got misrepresented in retelling after
> retelling until you have the stories of today. A race of female navagators
> and swimmers whose home sank below the waves naturally gave rise to myths
> of women who were half fish and drug sailors to their deaths beneath the
> waves.
>
> Now, while the contents of the Rongorongo texts is not yet fully
> deciphered, what HAS been deciphered is enough to give tantalizing hints of
> the advanced psychic technology the Lemurians once possesed, which is how
> Rongorongo connects to the Phaistos disc, which is, itself, a map to
> hyperspacial coordinates which will allow us to reconnect with the ancient
> astronauts who engeniered our rise as a species, once our brains are
> sufficiently evolved, which may be just at hand now, as the Mayan callendar
> CLEARLY shows.
>
> It's just astonishing how a group of otherwise intelligent people like
> Conlangers can be so easily decieved into believing the most rediculous
> things about our ancient extraterrestrial heritage. Board games indeed!
> Indus valley, absurd! Our alien bretheren blush at our ignorance.
>
> Adam who can't tell if he was just channelling Padraic or Puey on that one
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Hallo conlangers!
>> ...
>> >
>> > Ah, Rongorongo - which shows that a script can withstand decipherment
>> > attempts even if the language is known! I have heard claims that it
>> > was related to the Indus Valley script, but that's of course utter
>> > nutballs - the Rongorongo script certainly hails from Mu ;)
>>
>> Ah, but what if Rongorongo comes originally from Venus, via the BSB
>> (Benevolent Space Brothers)? Think how much fun would it be to design
>> the Venusian ancestral language from which Rongorongo descended?
>>
>> --gary
>>
>
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1.5. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:09 pm ((PST))
Hallo conlangers!
On Wednesday 14 December 2011 20:25:00 Adam Walker wrote:
> Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
> Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we have in the
> extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the mermaid
> mythology. The Women of Lemuria were known for their skill as navagators
> and swimmers (a rare enough skill in the ancient world, even among
> sailors). The Lemur-maids, whose name was reinterpreted as _la mer maids_
> by illiterate sailors, naturally got misrepresented in retelling after
> retelling until you have the stories of today. A race of female navagators
> and swimmers whose home sank below the waves naturally gave rise to myths
> of women who were half fish and drug sailors to their deaths beneath the
> waves.
Of course ;) It is sooooo obvious. Mea culpa, when I wrote that
the Rongorongo script was surely from Mu, I of course meant Lemuria!
> Now, while the contents of the Rongorongo texts is not yet fully
> deciphered, what HAS been deciphered is enough to give tantalizing hints of
> the advanced psychic technology the Lemurians once possesed, which is how
> Rongorongo connects to the Phaistos disc, which is, itself, a map to
> hyperspacial coordinates which will allow us to reconnect with the ancient
> astronauts who engeniered our rise as a species, once our brains are
> sufficiently evolved, which may be just at hand now, as the Mayan callendar
> CLEARLY shows.
And some stupid gits think that the world will *end* on that day;
it is in fact the day when the fun will *begin*, with the Machine
Elves returning to Earth to enlighten the righteous and to put an
end to war and environmental destruction! (*And* they will teach
us the True Elvish Language, thus putting an end to such miserable
mortal-made fakes as Quenya, Sindarin or Old Albic!)
> It's just astonishing how a group of otherwise intelligent people like
> Conlangers can be so easily decieved into believing the most rediculous
> things about our ancient extraterrestrial heritage. Board games indeed!
> Indus valley, absurd! Our alien bretheren blush at our ignorance.
Indus Valley absurd? It is well-known that the Indus Valley
civilization was founded by Lemurian refugees - just take a look
at all those retroflex consonants in the languages of India!
Of course, the Indus Valley script may be based on the Men's
Script, which is a tad different, but certainly Lemurian in
provenance.
But the board game hypothesis is indeed rubbish. Of course, you
*can* devise a set of rules and play a board game on the Phaistos
Disc, but that would be a vile desecration of a holy tablet!
--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bêsel asa Êm, a Êm atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Êmel." - SiM 1:1
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1.6. Con-crackpotry (was: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender))
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:24 pm ((PST))
Hallo conlangers!
On Wednesday 14 December 2011 21:05:58 Matthew Turnbull wrote:
> This leads me to wonder, does anyone have crackpot theories in thier
> conworld, weather they are regarded as such there or not. I suspect
> Jorayn speakers would have some, but I've never put anythought into
> it. They probably belive some people can turn into animals. They do
> 100% belive plants know more than it seems and shamans/spirituals will
> consult difficult decisions with ancient trees (who are old, and have
> seen much). Also they're a little xenophobic and are outright racist
> against whites, they belive all kinds of typical nonsense about them,
> can't be trusted, steal, lye, etc.
I have some conspiracy theories involving the Elves of the British
Isles. Some say they were descendants of Cain, others that they
hail from Atlantis (which may not be all that absurd, given the
resemblance between Britain and Plato's Atlantis); some claim that
they were pulling the strings behind several secret societies, most
notably the Rosicrucians, having played a major part in bringing
down the ancien régime in Europe in the 17th to 20th centuries.
The belief that Elves have magical powers is also quite widespread.
Of course, the mere existence of the Elves is in itself sort of a
secret, and perhaps the Elves themselves seeded myths of fairies
to create an atmosphere of general disbelief in the existence of
the Elves. (And yes, there are those who say that the Phaistos
Disc contains ancient Albic writing.)
--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bêsel asa Êm, a Êm atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Êmel." - SiM 1:1
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1.7. Re: Con-crackpotry (was: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender))
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:53 pm ((PST))
So is this thread now about ceramics or drug use? :~@
On 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hallo conlangers!
>
> On Wednesday 14 December 2011 21:05:58 Matthew Turnbull wrote:
>
>> This leads me to wonder, does anyone have crackpot theories in thier
>> conworld, weather they are regarded as such there or not. I suspect
>> Jorayn speakers would have some, but I've never put anythought into
>> it. They probably belive some people can turn into animals. They do
>> 100% belive plants know more than it seems and shamans/spirituals will
>> consult difficult decisions with ancient trees (who are old, and have
>> seen much). Also they're a little xenophobic and are outright racist
>> against whites, they belive all kinds of typical nonsense about them,
>> can't be trusted, steal, lye, etc.
>
> I have some conspiracy theories involving the Elves of the British
> Isles. Some say they were descendants of Cain, others that they
> hail from Atlantis (which may not be all that absurd, given the
> resemblance between Britain and Plato's Atlantis); some claim that
> they were pulling the strings behind several secret societies, most
> notably the Rosicrucians, having played a major part in bringing
> down the ancien régime in Europe in the 17th to 20th centuries.
> The belief that Elves have magical powers is also quite widespread.
>
> Of course, the mere existence of the Elves is in itself sort of a
> secret, and perhaps the Elves themselves seeded myths of fairies
> to create an atmosphere of general disbelief in the existence of
> the Elves. (And yes, there are those who say that the Phaistos
> Disc contains ancient Albic writing.)
>
> --
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
> http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
> "Bêsel asa Êm, a Êm atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Êmel." - SiM 1:1
>
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1.8. Re: Con-crackpotry (was: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender))
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:19 pm ((PST))
It could be about both, no? Just use a ceramic pipe :p
On 12/14/11, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> So is this thread now about ceramics or drug use? :~@
>
> On 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hallo conlangers!
>>
>> On Wednesday 14 December 2011 21:05:58 Matthew Turnbull wrote:
>>
>>> This leads me to wonder, does anyone have crackpot theories in thier
>>> conworld, weather they are regarded as such there or not. I suspect
>>> Jorayn speakers would have some, but I've never put anythought into
>>> it. They probably belive some people can turn into animals. They do
>>> 100% belive plants know more than it seems and shamans/spirituals will
>>> consult difficult decisions with ancient trees (who are old, and have
>>> seen much). Also they're a little xenophobic and are outright racist
>>> against whites, they belive all kinds of typical nonsense about them,
>>> can't be trusted, steal, lye, etc.
>>
>> I have some conspiracy theories involving the Elves of the British
>> Isles. Some say they were descendants of Cain, others that they
>> hail from Atlantis (which may not be all that absurd, given the
>> resemblance between Britain and Plato's Atlantis); some claim that
>> they were pulling the strings behind several secret societies, most
>> notably the Rosicrucians, having played a major part in bringing
>> down the ancien régime in Europe in the 17th to 20th centuries.
>> The belief that Elves have magical powers is also quite widespread.
>>
>> Of course, the mere existence of the Elves is in itself sort of a
>> secret, and perhaps the Elves themselves seeded myths of fairies
>> to create an atmosphere of general disbelief in the existence of
>> the Elves. (And yes, there are those who say that the Phaistos
>> Disc contains ancient Albic writing.)
>>
>> --
>> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
>> http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
>> "Bêsel asa Êm, a Êm atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Êmel." - SiM 1:1
>>
>
--
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1.9. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:34 pm ((PST))
--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 13/12/2011 17:44, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> > >
> > > See:
> > > http://www.recoveredscience.com/phaistoscontents.htm
> >
> > Clearly it's in Rongorongo and chronicles a voyage to
> Easter Island.
> >
> > You only have to compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc
> > to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rongorongo
> >
> > to see the two are the same language. ;-)
>
> Ah, Rongorongo - which shows that a script can withstand
> decipherment
> attempts even if the language is known! I have heard
> claims that it
> was related to the Indus Valley script, but that's of
> course utter
> nutballs - the Rongorongo script certainly hails from Mu
> ;)
And where do you think both Easter Island *and* the Indus Valley
civilisations come from? Obviously, after the spacefarers' disasterous
nuclear war (which not only turned the green Sahara into a desert, but
also devastated Arabia and SW Asia in general), their space craft upset
the delicate balances of Earth's magnetic fields which caused the poles
to shift (thus destroying the mastadons in a deep freeze and flinging
all the remaining dinosaurs into space) but caused the great
supercontinents of Mu and Atlantis, the original seats of alien-influenced
human civilisation, to sink. All that was left was a few isolated outposts
in Easter Island, the Mediterranean (the Pilaskoi) and in the Indus Valley
(by far preserving the highest level of the aliens' interstellar culture).
Crackpottery indeed!
Padraic
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1.10. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:46 pm ((PST))
--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone
> with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
> Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we
> have in the
> extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the
> mermaid mythology.
Mermaids!? Stuff and nonsense! You've been in the Disney-powder again!
Mu is where it's at! No other explation possibly fits all the data (or
rather, can be twisted to fit the data!)
The only thing the Lemurides get right is the alien influence! But of
course, their aliens are all wrong. And their etymologies are all
screwy! :P
Padraic
> The Women of Lemuria were known for their
> skill as navagators
> and swimmers (a rare enough skill in the ancient world,
> even among
> sailors). The Lemur-maids, whose name was
> reinterpreted as _la mer maids_
> by illiterate sailors, naturally got misrepresented in
> retelling after
> retelling until you have the stories of today. A race
> of female navagators
> and swimmers whose home sank below the waves naturally gave
> rise to myths
> of women who were half fish and drug sailors to their
> deaths beneath the
> waves.
>
> Now, while the contents of the Rongorongo texts is not yet
> fully
> deciphered, what HAS been deciphered is enough to give
> tantalizing hints of
> the advanced psychic technology the Lemurians once
> possesed, which is how
> Rongorongo connects to the Phaistos disc, which is, itself,
> a map to
> hyperspacial coordinates which will allow us to reconnect
> with the ancient
> astronauts who engeniered our rise as a species, once our
> brains are
> sufficiently evolved, which may be just at hand now, as the
> Mayan callendar
> CLEARLY shows.
>
> It's just astonishing how a group of otherwise intelligent
> people like
> Conlangers can be so easily decieved into believing the
> most rediculous
> things about our ancient extraterrestrial heritage.
> Board games indeed!
> Indus valley, absurd! Our alien bretheren blush at
> our ignorance.
>
> Adam who can't tell if he was just channelling Padraic or
> Puey on that one
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier
> <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > Hallo conlangers!
> > ...
> > >
> > > Ah, Rongorongo - which shows that a script can
> withstand decipherment
> > > attempts even if the language is known! I
> have heard claims that it
> > > was related to the Indus Valley script, but
> that's of course utter
> > > nutballs - the Rongorongo script certainly hails
> from Mu ;)
> >
> > Ah, but what if Rongorongo comes originally from
> Venus, via the BSB
> > (Benevolent Space Brothers)? Think how much fun would
> it be to design
> > the Venusian ancestral language from which Rongorongo
> descended?
> >
> > --gary
> >
>
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1.11. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Puey McCleary" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:06 pm ((PST))
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
> Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we have in the
> extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the mermaid
> mythology. The Women of Lemuria were known for their skill as navagators
> and swimmers (a rare enough skill in the ancient world, even among
> sailors). The Lemur-maids, whose name was reinterpreted as _la mer maids_
> by illiterate sailors, naturally got misrepresented in retelling after
> retelling until you have the stories of today. A race of female navagators
> and swimmers whose home sank below the waves naturally gave rise to myths
> of women who were half fish and drug sailors to their deaths beneath the
> waves.
>
> Now, while the contents of the Rongorongo texts is not yet fully
> deciphered, what HAS been deciphered is enough to give tantalizing hints of
> the advanced psychic technology the Lemurians once possesed, which is how
> Rongorongo connects to the Phaistos disc, which is, itself, a map to
> hyperspacial coordinates which will allow us to reconnect with the ancient
> astronauts who engeniered our rise as a species, once our brains are
> sufficiently evolved, which may be just at hand now, as the Mayan callendar
> CLEARLY shows.
>
> It's just astonishing how a group of otherwise intelligent people like
> Conlangers can be so easily decieved into believing the most rediculous
> things about our ancient extraterrestrial heritage. Board games indeed!
> Indus valley, absurd! Our alien bretheren blush at our ignorance.
>
> Adam who can't tell if he was just channelling Padraic or Puey on that one
>
> ##
>
Oh my!
Is this the beginning of a Silliness War?
I do like the bit with the mermaids. However, truly to be channeling me,
there probably need to be a few more references to nymphs, sylphs,
mermaids, Princesses, and Princesses who are nymphs, and possibly ninja
Princesses.
Also, where�s the gratuitous reference to �Alice in Wonderland?�
It seems clear to me that the Rongorongo script � and what a delightful
word �Rongorongo� is, we should all say it together right now,
Rong-o-rong-o � anyway � it seems clear to me that the name itself implies
duality, implies a language that can only be understood through the looking
glass.
Hence the Phaistos disk, which has already been demonstrated to be related
Rongorongo-wise by this august body, can only be read in the looking glass.
I have every confidence that the disk tells the story of the daughter of
the chieftain, who took a magick blade in hand, and slew the Dragon that
was harming her people. And she went galumphing back.
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1.12. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:23 pm ((PST))
You forgot to mention that the only living descendant of Rongorongo
and the Indus valley language is Basque. Of course, that's just so
obvious it hardly needs to be mentioned.
--gary
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Padraic Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
---
>
> And where do you think both Easter Island *and* the Indus Valley
> civilisations come from? Obviously, after the spacefarers' disasterous
> nuclear war (which not only turned the green Sahara into a desert, but
> also devastated Arabia and SW Asia in general), their space craft upset
> the delicate balances of Earth's magnetic fields which caused the poles
> to shift (thus destroying the mastadons in a deep freeze and flinging
> all the remaining dinosaurs into space) but caused the great
> supercontinents of Mu and Atlantis, the original seats of alien-influenced
> human civilisation, to sink. All that was left was a few isolated outposts
> in Easter Island, the Mediterranean (the Pilaskoi) and in the Indus Valley
> (by far preserving the highest level of the aliens' interstellar culture).
>
> Crackpottery indeed!
>
> Padraic
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1.13. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:31 pm ((PST))
True. But only since Ubykh died.
On 12/14/11, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
> You forgot to mention that the only living descendant of Rongorongo
> and the Indus valley language is Basque. Of course, that's just so
> obvious it hardly needs to be mentioned.
>
> --gary
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Padraic Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>> --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
> ---
>>
>> And where do you think both Easter Island *and* the Indus Valley
>> civilisations come from? Obviously, after the spacefarers' disasterous
>> nuclear war (which not only turned the green Sahara into a desert, but
>> also devastated Arabia and SW Asia in general), their space craft upset
>> the delicate balances of Earth's magnetic fields which caused the poles
>> to shift (thus destroying the mastadons in a deep freeze and flinging
>> all the remaining dinosaurs into space) but caused the great
>> supercontinents of Mu and Atlantis, the original seats of alien-influenced
>> human civilisation, to sink. All that was left was a few isolated outposts
>> in Easter Island, the Mediterranean (the Pilaskoi) and in the Indus Valley
>> (by far preserving the highest level of the aliens' interstellar culture).
>>
>> Crackpottery indeed!
>>
>> Padraic
>
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1.14. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Sam Stutter" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:48 pm ((PST))
Does this topic count as Dadaism?
In which case, the mermaids all had the face of Stacey Solomon, the Mayan
calendar was based upon the lyrics of "An Englishman in New York", the aliens
traveled to Earth on a giant ham sandwich, the nuclear war was over a
disagreement about whether cantaloupes or watermelon were the most boring
fruit, the statues on Easter Island are all representations of Haitian plumbers
and Basque is basically Dutch with Michael Sheen's accent.
On 14 Dec 2011, at 22:06, Puey McCleary wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
>> Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we have in the
>> extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the mermaid
>> mythology. The Women of Lemuria were known for their skill as navagators
>> and swimmers (a rare enough skill in the ancient world, even among
>> sailors). The Lemur-maids, whose name was reinterpreted as _la mer maids_
>> by illiterate sailors, naturally got misrepresented in retelling after
>> retelling until you have the stories of today. A race of female navagators
>> and swimmers whose home sank below the waves naturally gave rise to myths
>> of women who were half fish and drug sailors to their deaths beneath the
>> waves.
>>
>> Now, while the contents of the Rongorongo texts is not yet fully
>> deciphered, what HAS been deciphered is enough to give tantalizing hints of
>> the advanced psychic technology the Lemurians once possesed, which is how
>> Rongorongo connects to the Phaistos disc, which is, itself, a map to
>> hyperspacial coordinates which will allow us to reconnect with the ancient
>> astronauts who engeniered our rise as a species, once our brains are
>> sufficiently evolved, which may be just at hand now, as the Mayan callendar
>> CLEARLY shows.
>>
>> It's just astonishing how a group of otherwise intelligent people like
>> Conlangers can be so easily decieved into believing the most rediculous
>> things about our ancient extraterrestrial heritage. Board games indeed!
>> Indus valley, absurd! Our alien bretheren blush at our ignorance.
>>
>> Adam who can't tell if he was just channelling Padraic or Puey on that one
>>
>> ##
>>
> Oh my!
>
> Is this the beginning of a Silliness War?
>
> I do like the bit with the mermaids. However, truly to be channeling me,
> there probably need to be a few more references to nymphs, sylphs,
> mermaids, Princesses, and Princesses who are nymphs, and possibly ninja
> Princesses.
>
> Also, where�s the gratuitous reference to �Alice in Wonderland?�
>
> It seems clear to me that the Rongorongo script � and what a delightful
> word �Rongorongo� is, we should all say it together right now,
> Rong-o-rong-o � anyway � it seems clear to me that the name itself implies
> duality, implies a language that can only be understood through the looking
> glass.
>
> Hence the Phaistos disk, which has already been demonstrated to be related
> Rongorongo-wise by this august body, can only be read in the looking glass.
>
> I have every confidence that the disk tells the story of the daughter of
> the chieftain, who took a magick blade in hand, and slew the Dragon that
> was harming her people. And she went galumphing back.
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1.15. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:24 pm ((PST))
--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
> You forgot to mention that the only living descendant of Rongorongo
> and the Indus valley language is Basque. Of course, that's
> just so obvious it hardly needs to be mentioned.
Well, naturally. I just didn't want to insult everyone's intelligence! I
mean, simply èveryone knows about the Basque-Indus Valley connection!
After all, the Atlantic seaboard was practically awash with Atalantean
influences (Stonehenge and menhirs being two of the obvious). And as
has already been demonstrated, Atalante and Mu (and therefore Basque and
Easter Island) are all interconnected.
And of course, Dutch being akin to Basque, it too is therefore related to
the I-V language. Though, having been particularly infected by the early
Germanic tribes that moved in to the Mu-Atalante-Basque region sometime
shortly after the Great Flood.
> --gary
Padraic
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Padraic Brown <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> ---
> >
> > And where do you think both Easter Island *and* the
> Indus Valley
> > civilisations come from? Obviously, after the
> spacefarers' disasterous
> > nuclear war (which not only turned the green Sahara
> into a desert, but
> > also devastated Arabia and SW Asia in general), their
> space craft upset
> > the delicate balances of Earth's magnetic fields which
> caused the poles
> > to shift (thus destroying the mastadons in a deep
> freeze and flinging
> > all the remaining dinosaurs into space) but caused the
> great
> > supercontinents of Mu and Atlantis, the original seats
> of alien-influenced
> > human civilisation, to sink. All that was left was a
> few isolated outposts
> > in Easter Island, the Mediterranean (the Pilaskoi) and
> in the Indus Valley
> > (by far preserving the highest level of the aliens'
> interstellar culture).
> >
> > Crackpottery indeed!
> >
> > Padraic
>
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1.16. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:53 pm ((PST))
Oh dear, tosh and bother! I do believe we have entered that phase in the
defense of a crackpot theory whereat I am constrained by tradition to
engage in *ad hominem abusive* to shame my opponent into submission. Sigh.
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Padraic Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Adam Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Oh, for heaven's sake! Anyone
> > with a modicum of intelligence can tell that
> > Rongorongo is the women's script from Lemuria and what we
> > have in the
> > extant documents is some of the foundational tales for the
> > mermaid mythology.
>
> Mermaids!? Stuff and nonsense! You've been in the Disney-powder again!
> Mu is where it's at! No other explation possibly fits all the data (or
> rather, can be twisted to fit the data!)
>
Clearly you are an agent willing or unwitting of those *Other* aliens who
would keep us ignorant because of our potential to reach the upper astral
planes and/or the Dreamtime colloqially known as the Otherside of the Glass.
>
> The only thing the Lemurides get right is the alien influence! But of
> course, their aliens are all wrong. And their etymologies are all
> screwy! :P
>
> Padraic
>
Etymologies? Etymologies, you say? Well if it is etymologies you want,
it's etymologies I'll give you! *withering stare* Let's start with your
own name. It is a clear corruption of the Ancient
Lemurian/Ronogorongo/Angelic Alienese name Pachy-dur-ic which is so clear
in its etymology that I hardly need explicate, but just to avoid any
opportunity for the exercise of mental perversity on the part of my
ever-so-twisted opponent, I shall lay it all out. *Pachy* is clearly the
Lemurian root for *oliphaunt *an animal nowhere to be found on Lemuria
*or*Easter Island, clearly marking it as the name of an outsider, one
not
priviliged to the esoteric knowledge of our ancient ancestors. *Dur* is
equally clearly a pronoun as can be seen by its survival in corrupted for
in German as a demonstrative article and just as clearly indicates the
masculine gender. Finally, *-ic *is the Lemurian suffix added to all forms
of excrement. Thus the name means *He who was excreted by an oliphaunt* and
clearly marks you as an agent of the Nephilim, since no Lemurian or
descendant of a Lemurian would ever bare such a name.
Now all that is left is for you to bow to my superior logic!
Adam
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1.17. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Roger Mills" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:25 pm ((PST))
From: Matthew Turnbull <[email protected]>
This leads me to wonder, does anyone have crackpot theories in thier
conworld, weather they are regarded as such there or not.
===============================================
I could discuss at length the quite firm Kash belief that their evolution (and
probably that of the Gwr and Lañ-lañ) was set in motion by space-faring
scientists about a million years ago. Probably the same ones who visited Earth
and tinkered with some little simians....They were the Hainish, according to Le
Guin.....Many Gwr, however, think this theory is poppycock.
I go into this in my article "Birth of a Planet" which will appear (toot toot)
sometime in Fiat Lingua in the coming year. Watch for it.
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1.18. Re: Phaistive Fun (was: Grammatical gender)
Posted by: "Wesley Parish" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:30 pm ((PST))
You forgot to mention that Stonehenge and the menhirs constitute a
Europe-wide silicon-chip computer. They used silicon chips back then
because they didn't have potatoes as yet. And they never learnt how
to fry them either.
Finn and his brother really get up one's back!!!
My sources (sauces?) are impeccably Atlantean! :)
Wesley Parish
On 15/12/2011, at 12:24 PM, Padraic Brown wrote:
> --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You forgot to mention that the only living descendant of Rongorongo
>> and the Indus valley language is Basque. Of course, that's
>> just so obvious it hardly needs to be mentioned.
>
> Well, naturally. I just didn't want to insult everyone's
> intelligence! I
> mean, simply èveryone knows about the Basque-Indus Valley connection!
>
> After all, the Atlantic seaboard was practically awash with Atalantean
> influences (Stonehenge and menhirs being two of the obvious). And as
> has already been demonstrated, Atalante and Mu (and therefore
> Basque and
> Easter Island) are all interconnected.
>
> And of course, Dutch being akin to Basque, it too is therefore
> related to
> the I-V language. Though, having been particularly infected by the
> early
> Germanic tribes that moved in to the Mu-Atalante-Basque region
> sometime
> shortly after the Great Flood.
>
>> --gary
>
> Padraic
>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Padraic Brown <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> ---
>>>
>>> And where do you think both Easter Island *and* the
>> Indus Valley
>>> civilisations come from? Obviously, after the
>> spacefarers' disasterous
>>> nuclear war (which not only turned the green Sahara
>> into a desert, but
>>> also devastated Arabia and SW Asia in general), their
>> space craft upset
>>> the delicate balances of Earth's magnetic fields which
>> caused the poles
>>> to shift (thus destroying the mastadons in a deep
>> freeze and flinging
>>> all the remaining dinosaurs into space) but caused the
>> great
>>> supercontinents of Mu and Atlantis, the original seats
>> of alien-influenced
>>> human civilisation, to sink. All that was left was a
>> few isolated outposts
>>> in Easter Island, the Mediterranean (the Pilaskoi) and
>> in the Indus Valley
>>> (by far preserving the highest level of the aliens'
>> interstellar culture).
>>>
>>> Crackpottery indeed!
>>>
>>> Padraic
>>
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1.19. The Disk (was: Phaistive Fun)
Posted by: "Ray Brown" [email protected]
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:22 am ((PST))
> Hallo conlangers!
>
> On Tuesday 13 December 2011 21:05:57 R A Brown wrote:
[snip]
>> I suspect it is a forgery.
>
> Surely, its provenience is uncertain, and it may be just as well
> foreign to Crete as it could be native; alas, we don't know.
If it is genuine, then IMO we should assume it's Cretan unless there is
compelling evidence otherwise.
> It
> is not inconceivable that it is a forgery; but I'd rather not be
> that rash with such a suspicion. It is all too often taken
> recourse to by stubbornly conservative scholars (and crackpots!)
> who are confronted with evidence that challenges their assumptions.
It does not challenge any of of my assumptions concerning ancient Crete.
Nor is it the uniqueness of the object itself that makes me suspicious.
But we know that Minoan Crete was a literate society, so one does wonder
why the object is in a script otherwise unattested in Bronze Age Crete or,
indeed, in any of the surrounding countries with which the Minoans traded.
But what has long puzzled me is why, having hit upon the idea of using
movable type to impress a document on a clay tablet, the western world
then had to wait another three millennia before Gutenberg hit upon the
idea for doing the same on paper/parchment.
Also the details of its discovery in the palace at Phaistos is a little
sketch and unclear.
I am reminded of the 'Epioi' (aka Psychro ) inscription with its unique
features and the uncertainty of where it was 'discovered'. That has now
been shown to be a hoax.
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Eteocretan/Epioi.html
What we badly need for the Phaistos Disk is a thermoluminescence test to
date the Disk.
Ray.
PS - At present away from home in South Wales and having to use
"SquirrelMail."
PPS - Glad the Phaistive Fun thread is going so well - I would join in
more readily if I was back at home with my own mailer.
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1.20. Re: The Disk (was: Phaistive Fun)
Posted by: "Michael Everson" [email protected]
Date: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:10 am ((PST))
For information on how the Phaistos Disc text was encoded, see
http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3066.pdf
For a discussion of the directionality of the Disc and to see typeset examples
(Figures 3 and 4), see
http://www.evertype.com/standards/iso10646/pdf/11166-phaistos-response.pdf
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
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2.1. Re: Bulyer-Lytton's Constructed Language
Posted by: "Fredrik Ekman" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:42 am ((PST))
Andy,
While I have nothing to contribute regarding Vril-ya, you may want to take
a look at my article about the fictional auxlang in Percy Greg's Across
the Zodiac, from about the same time. It seems to share some concepts with
Vril-ya, and at any rate it is interesting in its own right.
My article was published in the first (so far only) issue of Rick
Harrison's Invented Languages:
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/invented-languages-1/2838506
Or, by all means, read the book and form your own opinion:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/10165
Your study sounds very interesting. I hope it will be made available
on-line when it is ready.
Fredrik
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2.2. Re: Bulyer-Lytton's Constructed Language
Posted by: "Roger Mills" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:30 am ((PST))
nitpick alert: shouldn't that be _Bulwer-Lytton_, he of the dark and stormy
night?
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3.1. Re: Grammatical gender (was: Chat. Don't join if you don't have the
Posted by: "BPJ" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:20 pm ((PST))
On 2011-12-13 02:27, Padraic Brown wrote:
> Actually, those are just where I'd expect them to be! I've long thought
> of the sun('s personification) as female. Yeah I know Helios is male;
> but that's Greek and as I recall, "sun" was fem. in OE and generally
> viewed as fem. into early modern English.
>
The sun is feminine and the moon masculine in all
Germanic. On Iceland I knew a girl named Sól, (actually
Sólveig, but was called Sól rather than Solla and
looked the part! :-)
ObConlang: Sohlob doesn't have grammatical gender but
the Sun goddess Nurdozb is female and _dozb_ 'sun' takes
animate morphology and agreement, as does _yarm_
'moon'. There are two moons called Yarmosp and Bomsohl
'Son-of-the-Waters' are also a goddess and god,
together the progenitors of humanity (if the Sohlçan
are human...) Heavenly bodies and weather phenomena,
water and fire, musical instruments and houses are all
animate in Sohlob.
/bpj
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4.1. Re: Grammatical gender
Posted by: "BPJ" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:13 pm ((PST))
On 2011-12-13 12:44, R A Brown wrote:
> Yep - Alien visitors seem to have taken the place of pixies,
> elves, fairies etc of earlier generations.
<http://www.davidbrin.com/thoseeyes.htmhttp://www.davidbrin.com/thoseeyes.htm>
>>
>> What are the Sanskrit names? BPJ perhaps knows ...
> It would be interesting to know. The Sanskrit grammarians
> were generally a little more linguistically percipient than
> the ancient Greek ones.
Alas no:
_strīliṅga_ 'having the mark of a woman'
_puṃliṅga_ 'having the mark of a man'
_klībaliṅga_ 'having the mark of a eunuch'
But as you may know the _anubandhas_ of Pāṇini
are a small engelang (or engevocab, as they
take normal Sanskrit inflections!)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini>
(That, boys and girls, says "Pāṇini" after the last slash...)
/bpj
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4.2. Re: Grammatical gender
Posted by: "Puey McCleary" [email protected]
Date: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:54 pm ((PST))
Eunuchs make any language more fun.
In Babel, Eunuchs are grammatically feminine. Plus, there are different
words for �A eunuch slave of the Emperor�s family� as opposed to �A eunuch
slave who serves a different family.� Because, those are such important
distinctions to have.
Gender is actually a very complicated issue with the Babel language.
Grammatical
gender is usually optional, but there are many times when it�s very useful
when one has to keep track of several different elements. There are gender
affixes for male or female, and even same-sex or opposite-sex. In practice
things get messy, because there are some Aliens with three sexes, some with
one sex, and some who change sexes. So grammatically, some are just called
one gender by convention.
But what does one expect when Language was created by a Princess who didn�t
have that much experience with all of the endless denizens of the Empire or
the Heresy? So she made a quirky language �
This does lead to some interesting translations, though. The analogue of
the Queen of Hearts in the Sorcerer�s version of �Alice� is the Suzerain of
Blood, who is an Alien of the gamma sex � which is traditionally �male.� So
where Carroll uses �she� and �her,� this version has �him� and �his.� Of
course, the Suzerain has two spouses, of the alpha and beta sexes, and they
are both grammatically �feminine.� But they�re really not.
One gets used to these things.
--
Puey McCleary
http://pueyandtheprincess.conlang.org
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