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Topics in this digest:
1.1. Re: New Year's Thoughts
From: David McCann
2a. Re: OT: ZBB malware alert
From: David McCann
3.1. Articles
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
3.2. Re: Articles
From: Adam Walker
3.3. Re: Articles
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
3.4. Re: Articles
From: Patrick Dunn
3.5. Re: Articles
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
3.6. Re: Articles
From: Scott Hlad
3.7. Re: Articles
From: Padraic Brown
3.8. Re: Articles
From: Jim Henry
3.9. Re: Articles
From: Gary Shannon
3.10. Re: Articles
From: Peter Cyrus
3.11. Re: Articles
From: MorphemeAddict
3.12. Re: Articles
From: Peter Cyrus
4a. Re: Name That Glyph | Round Six | Pseudoglyphs
From: John Erickson
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1.1. Re: New Year's Thoughts
Posted by: "David McCann" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:08 am ((PST))
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:03:41 -0500
Puey McCleary <[email protected]> wrote:
> Looking at what what Zamenhof actually translated, I
> am utterly amazed and delighted. What dedication he put into his
> art! What a variety of pieces!
That was his way of expanding Esperanto's vocabulary after the initial
publication. I seem to remember that it more than doubled.
The Biblical translation would have started early, because his original
idea was to create a language, not to unite mankind (that came later),
but to unite the Jews. The idea that anyone might revive Hebrew seems
not to have occurred to him!
I'd certainly agree with your description of Esperanto as a *conlang*
masterpiece, though not an *auxlang* masterpiece.
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2a. Re: OT: ZBB malware alert
Posted by: "David McCann" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:19 am ((PST))
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:46:12 +0100
Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anyone know what kind of evil did befall the Zompist Bulletin
> Board? I get a malware alert when I try to visit it.
Interestingly, I get the warning with Firefox but not with Opera. When
I tell Firefox to go ahead, the board's display is corrupted, but it
seems fine with Opera.
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3.1. Articles
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:14 am ((PST))
Can too be an article? What words in English could be turned into Yardish
articles.
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3.2. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:21 am ((PST))
In English too is an adverb. I'm not sure how it would work as an
article. Definite articles often develop from demonstratives. indefinite
articles often come from the numeral 1. I suppose words like "some" could
be sources for articles.
Adam
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Can too be an article? What words in English could be turned into Yardish
> articles.
>
>
> Follow me on twitter
>
>
> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>
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3.3. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:25 am ((PST))
I think I've forgotten what articles are.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Articles
> In English too is an adverb. I'm not sure how it would work as an
> article. Definite articles often develop from demonstratives. indefinite
> articles often come from the numeral 1. I suppose words like "some" could
> be sources for articles.
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Can too be an article? What words in English could be turned into Yardish
>> articles.
>>
>>
>> Follow me on twitter
>>
>>
>> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>>
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3.4. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:30 am ((PST))
Articles are kinds of determiners (meaning, words that come first in a noun
phrase) that -- in English at least -- indicate the information status of a
noun phrase. English has two articles, an indefinite article "a" or "an,"
and a definite article "the." The indefinite article indicates that the
concept indicated by the noun phrase is not expected to be in the hearer's
discourse model; it can be used to introduce a concept into discussion.
"The" means that the speaker assumes the hearer already has the idea
represented in the noun phrase in the discourse model.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[email protected]> wrote:
> I think I've forgotten what articles are.
>
>
>
> Follow me on twitter
>
>
> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Articles
>
>
>
> In English too is an adverb. I'm not sure how it would work as an
>> article. Definite articles often develop from demonstratives. indefinite
>> articles often come from the numeral 1. I suppose words like "some" could
>> be sources for articles.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Can too be an article? What words in English could be turned into Yardish
>>> articles.
>>>
>>>
>>> Follow me on twitter
>>>
>>>
>>> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>>>
>>>
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3.5. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:40 am ((PST))
So what words could work as articles? Counld some and many work?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Dunn" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Articles
> Articles are kinds of determiners (meaning, words that come first in a
> noun
> phrase) that -- in English at least -- indicate the information status of
> a
> noun phrase. English has two articles, an indefinite article "a" or "an,"
> and a definite article "the." The indefinite article indicates that the
> concept indicated by the noun phrase is not expected to be in the hearer's
> discourse model; it can be used to introduce a concept into discussion.
> "The" means that the speaker assumes the hearer already has the idea
> represented in the noun phrase in the discourse model.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think I've forgotten what articles are.
>>
>>
>>
>> Follow me on twitter
>>
>>
>> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Articles
>>
>>
>>
>> In English too is an adverb. I'm not sure how it would work as an
>>> article. Definite articles often develop from demonstratives.
>>> indefinite
>>> articles often come from the numeral 1. I suppose words like "some"
>>> could
>>> be sources for articles.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can too be an article? What words in English could be turned into
>>> Yardish
>>>> articles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Follow me on twitter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> --
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
> Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
> Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.
>
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3.6. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Scott Hlad" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:47 am ((PST))
"some" would certainly work as an indefinite article. Portuguese has both
singular and plural indefinite articles.
I have a book, I have some books. "some" refers to an indefinite amount of
books.
You can read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_(grammar)
-----Original Message-----
From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
Sent: January 11, 2012 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Articles
So what words could work as articles? Counld some and many work?
Follow me on twitter
www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Dunn" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Articles
> Articles are kinds of determiners (meaning, words that come first in a
> noun
> phrase) that -- in English at least -- indicate the information status of
> a
> noun phrase. English has two articles, an indefinite article "a" or "an,"
> and a definite article "the." The indefinite article indicates that the
> concept indicated by the noun phrase is not expected to be in the hearer's
> discourse model; it can be used to introduce a concept into discussion.
> "The" means that the speaker assumes the hearer already has the idea
> represented in the noun phrase in the discourse model.
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think I've forgotten what articles are.
>>
>>
>>
>> Follow me on twitter
>>
>>
>> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Articles
>>
>>
>>
>> In English too is an adverb. I'm not sure how it would work as an
>>> article. Definite articles often develop from demonstratives.
>>> indefinite
>>> articles often come from the numeral 1. I suppose words like "some"
>>> could
>>> be sources for articles.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can too be an article? What words in English could be turned into
>>> Yardish
>>>> articles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Follow me on twitter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.twitter.com/greenmellissa
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> --
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
>
Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
>
Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr
_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.
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3.7. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:57 am ((PST))
--- On Wed, 1/11/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]>
wrote:
> So what words could work as articles?
> Could some and many work?
They could. Understanding that there would be little distinction between
such an indefinite article and the indefinite pronouns that these
otherwise are.
In usage, the main difference seems to be that pronoun forms stand alone,
that is, can be used without any other word to lean on. While the article
forms must lean on another word:
I want _one_ -- here the pronoun stands alone.
I want _an_ -- here the indefinite article can not stand alone.
I want _an_ apple -- it's now happy leaning on its noun.
I want _that_ -- the pronouns stands alone.
I want _the_ -- the article can not.
I want _the_ apple -- again, happily leaning on its noun.
"Some" and "many" may either stand alone or go along with another word:
I want _some_ -- is it an article or a pronoun?
I want _some_ apples -- same question. In English, these would be counted
as pronouns, not articles. Sometimes you'll see "some" referred to as
the "plural indefinite article".
Padraic
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3.8. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Jim Henry" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:27 pm ((PST))
On 1/11/12, Patrick Dunn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Articles are kinds of determiners (meaning, words that come first in a noun
> phrase) that -- in English at least -- indicate the information status of a
> noun phrase. English has two articles, an indefinite article "a" or "an,"
> and a definite article "the." The indefinite article indicates that the
> concept indicated by the noun phrase is not expected to be in the hearer's
Some languages (e.g. French) also have partitive articles, which if I
understand correctly, are used with mass nouns while the definite and
indefinite articles are used with count nouns.
--
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
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3.9. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:13 pm ((PST))
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
---
>
> Some languages (e.g. French) also have partitive articles, which if I
> understand correctly, are used with mass nouns while the definite and
> indefinite articles are used with count nouns.
Then there's the Spanish article "lo" which is used before an
adjective to let you use it as a noun: lo importante = the important
(thing); lo difícil = the difficult (thing).
--gary
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3.10. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Peter Cyrus" [email protected]
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:12 am ((PST))
Catalan also has personal articles that go before names: en Pere = (the) Peter
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> ---
>>
>> Some languages (e.g. French) also have partitive articles, which if I
>> understand correctly, are used with mass nouns while the definite and
>> indefinite articles are used with count nouns.
>
> Then there's the Spanish article "lo" which is used before an
> adjective to let you use it as a noun: lo importante = the important
> (thing); lo difícil = the difficult (thing).
>
> --gary
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3.11. Re: Articles
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:57 am ((PST))
It seems my Catalan professor forgot to mention "en" when I took his class.
stevo
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Peter Cyrus <[email protected]> wrote:
> Catalan also has personal articles that go before names: en Pere = (the)
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> > ---
> >>
> >> Some languages (e.g. French) also have partitive articles, which if I
> >> understand correctly, are used with mass nouns while the definite and
> >> indefinite articles are used with count nouns.
> >
> > Then there's the Spanish article "lo" which is used before an
> > adjective to let you use it as a noun: lo importante = the important
> > (thing); lo difícil = the difficult (thing).
> >
> > --gary
>
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3.12. Re: Articles
Posted by: "Peter Cyrus" [email protected]
Date: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:15 am ((PST))
In some dialects, it's "el", and thus resembles the normal definite article.
It also combines with some prepositions, notably "ca" = at the house
of, French "chez". Lots of bars and restos are named "Can Xxx" or
"Cal Xxx".
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
> It seems my Catalan professor forgot to mention "en" when I took his class.
>
> stevo
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Peter Cyrus <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Catalan also has personal articles that go before names: en Pere = (the)
>> Peter
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> > ---
>> >>
>> >> Some languages (e.g. French) also have partitive articles, which if I
>> >> understand correctly, are used with mass nouns while the definite and
>> >> indefinite articles are used with count nouns.
>> >
>> > Then there's the Spanish article "lo" which is used before an
>> > adjective to let you use it as a noun: lo importante = the important
>> > (thing); lo difícil = the difficult (thing).
>> >
>> > --gary
>>
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4a. Re: Name That Glyph | Round Six | Pseudoglyphs
Posted by: "John Erickson" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:48 pm ((PST))
I think all of last week's results were my suggestions. I feel all awesome and
stuff now.
Anyway, for this week:
A4 to raise (a child)
B4 to climb
C1 camp
D3 victory, to win
E2 frog
E4 to woo (looks like a guy on one knee dramatically reaching out)
F1 dalek (just kidding)
F2 horse
G2 television
H1 rabbit
H3 to rock! (devil horns)
I4 plug, to plug in
J1 guitar
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