There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: a tale of two vowels
From: Alex Fink
1b. Re: a tale of two vowels
From: Roman Rausch
1c. Re: a tale of two vowels
From: Daniel Prohaska
2.1. Re: Case Creation
From: Patrick Dunn
2.2. Re: Case Creation
From: David Peterson
3a. Re: New language universal!
From: Logan Kearsley
3b. Re: New language universal!
From: Padraic Brown
3c. Re: New language universal!
From: Alex Fink
3d. Re: New language universal!
From: John Erickson
3e. Re: New language universal!
From: David Peterson
3f. Re: New language universal!
From: Wm Annis
3g. Re: New language universal!
From: Matthew Turnbull
4a. Re: Madeline Palmer's Draconic Language (Fiat Lingua)
From: Billy JB
5a. Number Creation
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
5b. Re: Number Creation
From: Patrick Dunn
5c. Re: Number Creation
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
5d. Re: Number Creation
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
5e. Re: Number Creation
From: Matthew Turnbull
5f. Re: Number Creation
From: yuri
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1a. Re: a tale of two vowels
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:23 pm ((PST))
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:01:17 -0600, Matthew Boutilier
<[email protected]> wrote:
> front back
>high i: u:
>mid e:
>low &:
>
>are any of you familiar with real setups that look anything like this, or
>at least resemble it by virtue of unbalancedness?
Well, I can only think of two examples of something else: languages of this
general shape that have even fewer back vowels. But neither of them have an
/a/ so far forward.
In Wichita there are
/i i:/ [i ~ I ~ e], ditto long
/e e:/ [E ~ &]
/a a:/ [a ~ Q]
as well as
[o o:]
which are "probably not phonemic", as they are usually contractions of /awa/
and like sequences (in only a few cases will speakers not accept some
uncontracted form).
Saanich has a similar system. There's
/i/ [i], or lowered & centralised near uvulars & glottals
/e/ [e], or lowered & centralised near ditto but rarely so far as [E]
/a/ from [6] near palatals through [a] to [A] near uv & glot
/@/ lax and central but all over the place.
plus some /u/ in transparent borrowings.
Alex
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1b. Re: a tale of two vowels
Posted by: "Roman Rausch" [email protected]
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2012 3:04 am ((PST))
>but i want to know how reasonable or naturalesque you find the PL
>setup with *three *long vowels bunched up in front and only *one*, /u:/
>(maybe in some kind of free variation with /o:/), in the back. all
>thoughts, particularly those including nat-(and, what the hell, con-)lang
>precedents, are invited.
But what's the problem if you give it a perfectly reasonable diachronic
explanation? Considering that your front low [{:] gets raised, I may suggest
that low back [A:] also may be raised to [O:] or [O] (which should be quite
common, take for instance Welsh _bra:teres_ > _broder_) in certain positions
(e.g. before labials), which then somehow merges with the /u/ phoneme.
One can also bring some diphthongs into the mix. In Kymna, I have /e:/ and
/o:/ breaking into /ei/ and /ou/, but then /o:/ reappears from the diphthong
/au/ in certain positions.There is no symmetric source to recreate /e:/
(/ai/ becomes /ei/), so the result is a gap where all vowels except /e/ have
long counterparts. Such things just happen naturally in a diachronic approach.
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1c. Re: a tale of two vowels
Posted by: "Daniel Prohaska" [email protected]
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2012 3:45 am ((PST))
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:04 AM, Michael Everson <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> On 3 Feb 2012, at 10:44, Daniel Prohaska wrote:
>>
>>> You could introduce a phonemic split, e.g. if /ɑː/ > /aː/ > /æː/ is the
>> general development, you could say that /ɑː/ > /ɒː/ in certain
>> environments, maybe before velars and nasals (or whatever you choose…).
>>
>> Sounds familiar.
>>
>>
Michael,
It does, doesn't it? Remind you of Proto-Frisian as well? Where GMC. /ai/
monophthongized and then split into */æː/ and */ɑː/.
Dan ;-)
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2.1. Re: Case Creation
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:27 pm ((PST))
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > How would that work?
>
>
> However you want.
>
> And that's not a flippant answer, by the way: that's the truth. As long as
> some piece of it is consistent (which, in my mind, is the basic criterion
> for human learnability) and you can describe it, then you can create any
> case to be whatever you want it to be.
>
>
Consistent? Have you seen ancient Greek? I know you have.
The case system is pretty consistent, even a little easier than Latin's.
But then prepositions can govern any of the three oblique cases -- and
when they do, they change their meaning. Supposedly there's a reason
involved, but it's at best sketchy (meta + DAT "among", but meta + ACC "in
pursuit of"). Then each verb has not two, not three, not even four, but
six principle parts, all of which must be learned separately. Again,
patterns are of little use; they exist, but there are as many exceptions as
there are verbs that adhere to the patterns, and enough suppletion to fill
a tanker-truck. Add to all this a complex participial system, multiple
infinitives, about 350 different possible verb conjugations for each verb,
English borrowings that seem to all be false friends by decree of law, and
an idiosyncratic accent system that must be learned separately for every
word, and you've got one hell of an inconsistent and fiendishly difficult
language.
I totally love it.
--Patrick
--
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2.2. Re: Case Creation
Posted by: "David Peterson" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:36 pm ((PST))
On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Patrick Dunn wrote:
> The case system is pretty consistent, even a little easier than Latin's.
> But then prepositions can govern any of the three oblique cases -- and
> when they do, they change their meaning. Supposedly there's a reason
> involved, but it's at best sketchy (meta + DAT "among", but meta + ACC "in
> pursuit of"). Then each verb has not two, not three, not even four, but
> six principle parts, all of which must be learned separately. Again,
> patterns are of little use; they exist, but there are as many exceptions as
> there are verbs that adhere to the patterns, and enough suppletion to fill
> a tanker-truck. Add to all this a complex participial system, multiple
> infinitives, about 350 different possible verb conjugations for each verb,
> English borrowings that seem to all be false friends by decree of law, and
> an idiosyncratic accent system that must be learned separately for every
> word, and you've got one hell of an inconsistent and fiendishly difficult
> language.
Right, but all of that is consistent. Remember: I said *consistent*, not
*predictable*. This is consistent:
goose~geese
ox~oxen
mouse~mice
This is inconsistent:
goose~geese, cats, I don't want any of that, fffffffffff, parker parks cars
And with absolutely no rule for when to use any of those plural forms.
Comparatively speaking, "meta + DAT = among/meta + ACC = in pursuit of" looks
like an auxlang.
David Peterson
LCS President
[email protected]
www.conlang.org
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3a. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "Logan Kearsley" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:51 pm ((PST))
On 3 February 2012 00:02, taliesin the storyteller
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In the January 2012 issue of Linguistic Inquiry there's an interesting
> (free!) paper titled "Having 'Need' and Needing 'Have'" by Stephanie Harves
> and Richard S. Kayne.
>
> Their claim:
>
> If you have a transitive verb for "need", you also have a transitive verb
> for "have".
>
> They divide the world's languages into 1) those with and those without a
> transitive verb for "need" and 2) those with and those without a transitive
> verb for "have". It turns out that there are languages who have a transitive
> verb for "have" that lack a transitive verb for "need", but not the other
> way around.
>
> The paper is short and not very hard to read:
>
> http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/LING_a_00076
Hm. I wonder how my romantic language fits in with this; there is a
transitive verb for need, and there is a transitive verb for have, but
the standard way of expressing "have" is verbless.
-l.
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3b. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 6:36 pm ((PST))
--- On Fri, 2/3/12, taliesin the storyteller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Their claim:
>
> If you have a transitive verb for "need", you also have a
> transitive verb for "have".
>
> They divide the world's languages into 1) those with and
> those without a transitive verb for "need" and 2)
> those with and those without a transitive verb for "have".
> It turns out that there are languages who have a transitive
> verb for "have" that lack a transitive verb for "need", but
> not the other way around.
Interesting. Can't quite figure whether either Kerno or Talarian break or
accommodate this "universal". Talarian avoids "have" constructions
altogether by using "sit": a book sits itself with me = I have a book. The
etymological cousin of have, capam, means "have" in the sense of seizement
or snatchification.
Kerno shows possession datively and sans verb: do mi yen liveors = to me
a book, or else datively and with a reduced form of BE: do mi ay yen
liveors (do mi a(t) + (c)i yen liveors) = to me is this, a book.
Attractive as busting up this universal might be in Kerno, I think a
language that at least disguises itself as a 'real' / 'natural' language
closely related to French and Spanish ought to conform. Talarian on the
other hand doesn't need to be so restricted, but I'm not so sure how one
should approach satem (sit) with respect to The Claim. Technically speaking
there is no verb analog to "have", meaning ordinary possession, so once I
find "need", the universal should be easily broken, right?
> The paper is short and not very hard to read:
Except for all the ungothroughsome bits. ;)
Padraic
> http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/LING_a_00076
>
>
> t.
>
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3c. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 7:34 pm ((PST))
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:20:51 -0500, John Erickson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 23:15:31 -0800, David Peterson <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Hooray! I have six or seven languages that break an iron-clad linguistic
>universal!
>
>I'm working on one right now!
>
>Okay, so I haven't actually coined the word for "need" yet, but I will, and
when I
>do, I'll be breaking the rule.
It's funny how the reaction that the word "universal" engenders for a large
segment of the membership here is "nosirree Bob! no-one can tell _me_ what
to do!" In contrast talk of "naturalism" doesn't seem to do that. But what
are universals but statements of certain combinations of properties that,
empirically (at least for the good ones), go against naturalism?
I mean, this universal isn't even a particularly interesting one to break.
Look, I'mma express "have" with dative possessor + copula, but have
transitive "need"! ... so?
I for one would find it much more interesting to absorb what ìs going on
here. Admittedly Harves and Kayne have a Eurocentric dataset, but there
does seem to be something in it; and if I did understand it, or at least had
a plausible theory on it, that could lead to some good well-crafted
conlangery.
[So, is this "even in the Platonic cross-linguistic world of semantics, some
concepts can be incorporations of others" stuff for real? Smells suspicious
but...]
In fairness, part of my reaction is because I am the sort who wrings his
hands even about _systemic_ deviations from the natlang norm, and conlangs
as a group do show these even when individually they can be taken to be
naturalistic. (Exhibit A, frequency of /T/.) I would have a suspicion that
many conlangers have read about expressions of predicative possession and
how they vary cross-linguistically, so there are plenty of non-transitive
"have" out there; but "need" there isn't such a literature on, so when one's
coming to "need" one makes it a transitive verb 'cause that's what English
does, and ergo that's what's Normal...
Alex
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3d. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "John Erickson" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:48 pm ((PST))
Linguistic rebels are a dangerous breed. ;-)
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3e. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "David Peterson" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:12 pm ((PST))
On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Alex Fink wrote:
> I would have a suspicion that
> many conlangers have read about expressions of predicative possession and
> how they vary cross-linguistically, so there are plenty of non-transitive
> "have" out there; but "need" there isn't such a literature on, so when one's
> coming to "need" one makes it a transitive verb 'cause that's what English
> does, and ergo that's what's Normal...
Certainly true, if it's true. I suspect it's not. After all, everyone should at
least be familiar with French, which has a verb for "have" but not for "need",
employing the following expression to for necessity:
avoir besoin de...
"to have need of..."
Arabic is similar.
Anyway, the thrust of your e-mail seems to be this:
On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Alex Fink wrote:
> It's funny how the reaction that the word "universal" engenders for a large
> segment of the membership here is "nosirree Bob! no-one can tell _me_ what
> to do!" In contrast talk of "naturalism" doesn't seem to do that. But what
> are universals but statements of certain combinations of properties that,
> empirically (at least for the good ones), go against naturalism?
Absent of a historical explanation, a linguistic universal is nothing but
"lorem ipsum" for a conlanger�or at least for one working on a naturalistic
conlang. It's something like coming up with a list of common motifs in American
novels. It might be interesting to someone studying American novels, but of
what use is it to an American novelist? If the novelist is doing good work,
whether or not what they're doing matches an observable pattern is immaterial.
Conversely, a novelist doing bad work isn't going to improve the quality of
their novel by having it match up as nearly as possible with a list of
properties common to novels in his/her genre.
In short, caring one way or another about a linguistic universal is likely
indicative of a flawed methodology, when it comes to creating a naturalistic
language. (Well, unless your criterion for naturalism is, "How well does this
match up with the list of linguistic universals linguists have named...?")
David Peterson
LCS President
[email protected]
www.conlang.org
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3f. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "Wm Annis" [email protected]
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:11 am ((PST))
On Friday, February 3, 2012, David Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
> In short, caring one way or another about a linguistic universal is
likely indicative of a flawed methodology, when it comes to creating a
naturalistic language. (Well, unless your criterion for naturalism is, "How
well does this match up with the list of linguistic universals linguists
have named...?")
Why on earth would that *not* be one of several criteria for judging
naturalism? Surely any single criterion is indefensible when it has to
bear the entire weight of judging.
--
wm
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www.aoidoi.org � www.scholiastae.org
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3g. Re: New language universal!
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" [email protected]
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:41 am ((PST))
But the universal says if it has a transitive verb for need, then
"have" will be transitive. French doesn't have a transitive verb for
need, so then the universal doesn't apply. Jorayn also doesn't have a
transitive verb for need, it uses a clitic to express need.
Da'vra'minade - I need to leave.
Orin'-da'-m-inad-o riioma - I need some water. (1EVD-NEED-1-be.at/SG-3 water)
On 2/3/12, David Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Alex Fink wrote:
>
>> I would have a suspicion that
>> many conlangers have read about expressions of predicative possession and
>> how they vary cross-linguistically, so there are plenty of non-transitive
>> "have" out there; but "need" there isn't such a literature on, so when
>> one's
>> coming to "need" one makes it a transitive verb 'cause that's what English
>> does, and ergo that's what's Normal...
>
> Certainly true, if it's true. I suspect it's not. After all, everyone should
> at least be familiar with French, which has a verb for "have" but not for
> "need", employing the following expression to for necessity:
>
> avoir besoin de...
> "to have need of..."
>
> Arabic is similar.
>
> Anyway, the thrust of your e-mail seems to be this:
>
> On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Alex Fink wrote:
>
>> It's funny how the reaction that the word "universal" engenders for a
>> large
>> segment of the membership here is "nosirree Bob! no-one can tell _me_
>> what
>> to do!" In contrast talk of "naturalism" doesn't seem to do that. But
>> what
>> are universals but statements of certain combinations of properties that,
>> empirically (at least for the good ones), go against naturalism?
>
> Absent of a historical explanation, a linguistic universal is nothing but
> "lorem ipsum" for a conlanger�or at least for one working on a naturalistic
> conlang. It's something like coming up with a list of common motifs in
> American novels. It might be interesting to someone studying American
> novels, but of what use is it to an American novelist? If the novelist is
> doing good work, whether or not what they're doing matches an observable
> pattern is immaterial. Conversely, a novelist doing bad work isn't going to
> improve the quality of their novel by having it match up as nearly as
> possible with a list of properties common to novels in his/her genre.
>
> In short, caring one way or another about a linguistic universal is likely
> indicative of a flawed methodology, when it comes to creating a naturalistic
> language. (Well, unless your criterion for naturalism is, "How well does
> this match up with the list of linguistic universals linguists have
> named...?")
>
> David Peterson
> LCS President
> [email protected]
> www.conlang.org
>
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4a. Re: Madeline Palmer's Draconic Language (Fiat Lingua)
Posted by: "Billy JB" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:01 pm ((PST))
Oh god, I want more! I just found some free time to look through my mail
and wow! I have to say, I'm honestly quite hooked on this novel idea. I
eagerly await more!
Excellent work she produced, this Palmer.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Dirk Elzinga <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sweet! I've been wanting to write up the grammar for Miapimoquitch using a
> similar conceit for quite a while, but now I've been scooped. Masterfully
> done.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 2:59 PM, David Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I wanted to take a moment to let everyone know about an incredible find
> > that basically dropped into our laps at Fiat Lingua.
> >
> > Last November, we got an e-mail at [email protected] from Madeline Palmer.
> > She said she didn't know, but thought we might be interested in the
> > attached file for our website. The title of the e-mail was "Draconic
> > Language". Initially, I dismissed it�in fact, I'll admit I didn't even
> look
> > at it (I thought it was an "analysis" of the Dragon language from
> Skyrim),
> > and may not have if Don Boozer hadn't alerted me and said it was worth a
> > look.
> >
> > And so I gave it a look. The document she sent to us was a *ONE HUNDRED
> > AND SEVENTY page grammar and lexicon* of a language she called
> Sr�naw�sin�a
> > language she's been working on for about twenty years. And the form of
> the
> > grammar was rather unique. Rather than being a simple description, the
> > language is presented as a linguistics graduate student's notes on a
> > document she found in the old dissertation file of the linguistics
> > department at NYU. The entire work is a grammar presented as a work of
> > fiction.
> >
> > Over the coming months, we're going to publish the full grammar of
> > Sr�naw�sin at Fiat Lingua, the first installment of which has gone up
> today
> > [1]. As far as I know, Madeline hasn't had any connection to any of the
> > conlanging communities, so this language has really kind of dropped out
> of
> > the sky. I invite you to give it a look (and hopefully I can encourage
> > Madeline to join the Conlang list).
> >
> > Oh, and a Fiat Lingua-related note: While the Sr�naw�sin grammar will
> have
> > about eight or nine installments, we will publish articles in the interim
> > if we feel they're timely, or just to break things up a bit.
> >
> > [1] http://fiatlingua.org/?p=125
> >
> > David Peterson
> > LCS President
> > [email protected]
> > www.conlang.org
> >
>
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5a. Number Creation
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:15 pm ((PST))
While I work out my audio cas off-list with another member, how do I create
numbers for Yardish? I know ten ten is deca. I know it's a side, so I figure if
it can work for a shape's number of sides, then it can work for a number.
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
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5b. Re: Number Creation
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:53 pm ((PST))
Well, it already does. It's Greek.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[email protected]> wrote:
> While I work out my audio cas off-list with another member, how do I
> create numbers for Yardish? I know ten ten is deca. I know it's a side, so
> I figure if it can work for a shape's number of sides, then it can work for
> a number.
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
>
--
Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
order from Finishing Line
Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
and
Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.
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5c. Re: Number Creation
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:07 pm ((PST))
Thanks.
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Dunn" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Number Creation
> Well, it already does. It's Greek.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> While I work out my audio cas off-list with another member, how do I
>> create numbers for Yardish? I know ten ten is deca. I know it's a side,
>> so
>> I figure if it can work for a shape's number of sides, then it can work
>> for
>> a number.
>> Nicole Andrews
>>
>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
> Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
> Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.
>
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5d. Re: Number Creation
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:08 pm ((PST))
Any creation rules?
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Dunn" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Number Creation
> Well, it already does. It's Greek.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> While I work out my audio cas off-list with another member, how do I
>> create numbers for Yardish? I know ten ten is deca. I know it's a side,
>> so
>> I figure if it can work for a shape's number of sides, then it can work
>> for
>> a number.
>> Nicole Andrews
>>
>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for
> order from Finishing Line
> Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm>
> and
> Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.
>
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5e. Re: Number Creation
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" [email protected]
Date: Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:12 pm ((PST))
Whatever you come up with! Some people make them up, some people base
them off other words in the language. Sometimes they follow a pattern
sometimes they don't.
On 2/4/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:
> Any creation rules?
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Dunn" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Number Creation
>
>
>> Well, it already does. It's Greek.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> While I work out my audio cas off-list with another member, how do I
>>> create numbers for Yardish? I know ten ten is deca. I know it's a side,
>>> so
>>> I figure if it can work for a shape's number of sides, then it can work
>>> for
>>> a number.
>>> Nicole Andrews
>>>
>>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>>> Budding novelist
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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5f. Re: Number Creation
Posted by: "yuri" [email protected]
Date: Sat Feb 4, 2012 12:04 am ((PST))
On 4 February 2012 20:12, Matthew Turnbull wrote:
> Whatever you come up with! Some people make them up, some
> people base them off other words in the language. Sometimes they
> follow a pattern sometimes they don't.
sāt, dūŋ, drī, kwat, lyīm, on, ŝab, lap, ŋāt, teX, lef, zūf
Some of the above have IE roots (see if you can recognise them).
Some are heavily mutilated borrowings from non-IE languages.
Feel free to borrow them if you hit a mental block trying to coin your own.
Yuri
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