There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
From: Adam Walker
1b. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
From: Gary Shannon
1c. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
From: Gary Shannon
1d. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
From: Padraic Brown
2a. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
2b. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
2c. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Matthew Boutilier
2d. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Jen Runds
2e. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Padraic Brown
2f. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
2g. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Garth Wallace
2h. OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Петр Рихардович
2i. OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Петр Рихардович
2j. OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Петр Рихардович
2k. Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Matthew Turnbull
2l. Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
From: Adam Walker
3a. Re: Worldbuilding Question
From: Alex Fink
4a. Re: Days of the week
From: David McCann
4b. Re: Days of the week
From: Peter Collier
4c. Re: Days of the week
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
4d. Re: Days of the week
From: Padraic Brown
4e. Re: Days of the week
From: Nikolay Ivankov
5a. OT: Lycanthropy vs Wold Children
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
5b. Re: OT: Lycanthropy vs Wold Children
From: Matthew Turnbull
5c. Re: OT: Lycanthropy vs Wold Children
From: Matthew Boutilier
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1a. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:00 am ((PST))
I sympathize.
On 2/14/12, Daniel Burgener <[email protected]> wrote:
> That was the first time I've taken a survey where my age was in a *-40
> category, so thanks for making me feel old... :)
>
> -Daniel
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 AM, kechpaja <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> As a computer science class project, I'm part of a team putting together a
>> language learning application, and we're looking for feedback from
>> potential users. If you could take a few minutes to fill out the linked
>> survey, It would be very helpful.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/a/brown.edu/spreadsheet/embeddedform?formkey=dGdBNU1LOFlsbnNMV0RPUkpRcXluTGc6MQ
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Kelvin
>>
>
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1b. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:10 am ((PST))
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Daniel Burgener
<[email protected]> wrote:
> That was the first time I've taken a survey where my age was in a *-40
> category, so thanks for making me feel old... :)
>
> -Daniel
Oh, to be 40 again! All three of my kids are over 40!
--gary
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1c. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:43 am ((PST))
You might try posting the survey on this language learning forum:
http://www.how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/default.asp
It's a very active forum with lots of polyglots.
--gary
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:56 PM, kechpaja <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> As a computer science class project, I'm part of a team putting together a
> language learning application, and we're looking for feedback from potential
> users. If you could take a few minutes to fill out the linked survey, It
> would be very helpful.
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/brown.edu/spreadsheet/embeddedform?formkey=dGdBNU1LOFlsbnNMV0RPUkpRcXluTGc6MQ
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Kelvin
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1d. Re: OT: Language Learning Survey
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:14 am ((PST))
I wonder at the bias towards languages of China... Why list half a dozen of
them and no Scandinavian or Philippine or other SE Asian? And only major
European ones? And no South American ones?
A fill-in box might be a more appropriate approach there.
Padraic
--- On Tue, 2/14/12, kechpaja <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: kechpaja <[email protected]>
> Subject: [CONLANG] OT: Language Learning Survey
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 12:56 AM
> Hello!
>
> As a computer science class project, I'm part of a team
> putting together a language learning application, and we're
> looking for feedback from potential users. If you could take
> a few minutes to fill out the linked survey, It would be
> very helpful.
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/brown.edu/spreadsheet/embeddedform?formkey=dGdBNU1LOFlsbnNMV0RPUkpRcXluTGc6MQ
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Kelvin
>
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2a. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:14 am ((PST))
Sounds logical to have them show it on a full moon. Thanks. I have a
language development book, and it has some info on wild children, I also
have a documentary on another SD card from the Is it Real archaives dealing
with feral children.
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
Tweet me
@greenNovelist
----- Original Message -----
From: "???? ?????????? ?????" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:29 AM
Subject: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
> On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 09:09:27 Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
> wrote:
>> So when would they start showing feralness?
>
> On the first full moon after the winter solstice following their seventh
> birthday. Before that, any possible indication of feralness could also be
> attributed to poor upbringing or excessive interaction with idiot savants,
> but
> after that, there's no scientific basis for doubt of true feralness.
> Although
> you may come across some opinions expressing various degress of
> uncertainty,
> you will quickly find that most of that doubt is grounded in a research
> paper
> done by an undergraduate at the University of New South London, which
> subsequent study has shown to be mostly the logorrhea of an excessively
> inebriated subaquatic pannier weaver.
> Regards,
> :Peter
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2b. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:19 am ((PST))
If they start showing their feralness after the full moon, does it have to
be when their seven, because it seems like they would be normal until then,
which doesn't make logical sense.
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
Tweet me
@greenNovelist
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>
> On 2/13/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:
>> So when would they start showing feralness?
>> Nicole Andrews
>>
>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>> Tweet me
>>
>>
>>
>> @greenNovelist
>> -----
>>
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2c. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Matthew Boutilier" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:36 am ((PST))
>
> If they start showing their feralness after the full moon, does it have to
> be when their seven, because it seems like they would be normal until then,
> which doesn't make logical sense.
>
i'm no expert in such things but it seems to me that feralness is nothing
more than the lack of socialness. a five-day-old regular infant is
indistinguishable from a same-aged feral infant because you wouldn't expect
any more from the societal one. but whenever speech is supposed to start,
and in the feral one it doesn't, that's a point towards feralness. same
goes for eye contact and physical interactions and whatever else babies
do. by "showing feralness" you just mean "not showing the expected
socialness."
haven't you ever seen "teen wolf"? sometimes the triggering full moon
doesn't occur until puberty. lycanthropy (not to be confused with
ferality) doesn't always manifest itself at birth, in my experience.
can we get back to languages now?
matt
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[email protected]> wrote:
> If they start showing their feralness after the full moon, does it have to
> be when their seven, because it seems like they would be normal until then,
> which doesn't make logical sense.
>
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
> Tweet me
>
>
>
> @greenNovelist
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>
>
>
> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>>
>> On 2/13/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So when would they start showing feralness?
>>> Nicole Andrews
>>>
>>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>>> Budding novelist
>>> Tweet me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @greenNovelist
>>> -----
>>>
>>>
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2d. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Jen Runds" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:41 am ((PST))
I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that Peter's answer was
not intended to be taken serious. The reference at the end to
underwater basketweaving is a bit of a tipoff.
On 14 February 2012 10:19, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
<[email protected]> wrote:
> If they start showing their feralness after the full moon, does it have to
> be when their seven, because it seems like they would be normal until then,
> which doesn't make logical sense.
>
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
> Tweet me
>
>
>
> @greenNovelist
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>
>
>
>> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>>
>> On 2/13/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> So when would they start showing feralness?
>>> Nicole Andrews
>>>
>>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>>> Budding novelist
>>> Tweet me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @greenNovelist
>>> -----
>>>
>
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2e. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:50 am ((PST))
--- On Tue, 2/14/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]>
wrote:
> If they start showing their feralness
> after the full moon, does it have to
> be when their seven, because it seems like they would be
> normal until then, which doesn't make logical sense.
Basically, all these questions boil down to "when/what ever you decide it
to be". It could be six years or eight years or twelve. Whatever works in
your own imagination!
Padraic
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
> Tweet me
>
>
>
> @greenNovelist
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>
>
> > Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last
> Thursday.
> >
> > On 2/13/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> So when would they start showing feralness?
> >> Nicole Andrews
> >>
> >> Pen name Mellissa Green
> >> Budding novelist
> >> Tweet me
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> @greenNovelist
> >> -----
> >>
>
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2f. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:58 am ((PST))
Darn, is there an answer. But what if the twins started showing heir
feralness on the full moon. They're werewolf twins, so I think I took it
seriously. They are discovered at age twelve. Would they have trouble with
language-learning?
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
Tweet me
@greenNovelist
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jen Runds" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that Peter's answer was
> not intended to be taken serious. The reference at the end to
> underwater basketweaving is a bit of a tipoff.
>
> On 14 February 2012 10:19, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If they start showing their feralness after the full moon, does it have
>> to
>> be when their seven, because it seems like they would be normal until
>> then,
>> which doesn't make logical sense.
>>
>> Nicole Andrews
>>
>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>> Budding novelist
>> Tweet me
>>
>>
>>
>> @greenNovelist
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Walker" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>>
>>
>>
>>> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>>>
>>> On 2/13/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So when would they start showing feralness?
>>>> Nicole Andrews
>>>>
>>>> Pen name Mellissa Green
>>>> Budding novelist
>>>> Tweet me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> @greenNovelist
>>>> -----
>>>>
>>
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2g. Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Garth Wallace" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:50 am ((PST))
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
<[email protected]> wrote:
> If they start showing their feralness after the full moon, does it have to
> be when their seven, because it seems like they would be normal until then,
> which doesn't make logical sense.
What would being raised in the wild have to do with the full moon?
Feral children aren't the same thing as werewolves.
And what does any of this have to do with constructed languages?
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2h. OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Петр Рихардович" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:40 am ((PST))
On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 19:50:44 you wrote:
> --- On Tue, 2/14/12, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > If they start showing their feralness
> > after the full moon, does it have to
> > be when their seven, because it seems like they would be
> > normal until then, which doesn't make logical sense.
>
> Basically, all these questions boil down to "when/what ever you decide it
> to be". It could be six years or eight years or twelve. Whatever works in
> your own imagination!
No, Padraic, I must most respectfully but most forcefully disagree with
you. All professional lycanthropologists agree that while lycanthropic
affliction can manifest itself at earlier ages, we can only say with definite
certainty that said individual is a true lycanthrope (as opposed to say an
inferior pseudolycanthrope or a clinical lycanthrope) after the first full moon
following the winter solstice after their seventh birthday. Full stop, end of
story.
To suggest imagination as an answer, especially in such august company
of professional artisians, is simply riduculous. Would you have any budding
novelist be ridiculed and scorned for allowing flights of fancy to overwhelm
long and well-established facts? No, sir, there are some things against which
we must take a stand! There is no room for fiction in any such discussion, be
it lycanthropology, vrycolacology, or spectrology.
Respectfully,
:Peter
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2i. OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Петр Рихардович" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:40 am ((PST))
On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 19:58:28 you wrote:
> Darn, is there an answer. But what if the twins started showing heir
> feralness on the full moon. They're werewolf twins, so I think I took it
> seriously. They are discovered at age twelve. Would they have trouble with
> language-learning?
Pay no attention to Jen, she's obviously one of those people who thinks
nothing of smearing the credibility of those who have dedicated the best years
of their lives and spared no sacrifice at the altar of Merda Taurorum. I
suppose we can expect her to say that vampires don't sparkle in the sunshine!
As for your second question, although a normal child would of course be
expect to positively indicate delayed language development and acquisition, we
are of course dealing with lycanthropes, which, as has been more than
adequately demonstrated, possess superhuman strength, speed, and senses far
beyond those of both wolves and men. Although modern medical ethics forbids
such experimentation, there are persistant and credible rumors that Soviet
scientists under Stalin conducted extensive research into lycanthropes as a
weapon of war, including their language acquisition capability, which was
found to be consistantly at a far superior level to a normal human. I would
thus suggest that there is firm ground to suppose that a lycanthorpe, verily
even a feral one, would not be linguistically disadvantaged for very long.
Regards,
:Peter
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2j. OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Петр Рихардович" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:43 am ((PST))
On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 18:12:21 you wrote:
> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
Oh, there is a Last Thursdayist in our midst! Burn the heretic!
:Peter
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2k. Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:07 am ((PST))
What is this nonsense? Have you all forgotten when, in 1976, it was
demonstrated that lycanthropy is clearly a manifestation of the
windiigo in it's summer form during the 15 semi-anual conference of
the North American Society for Research into Seasonal Ailements? It
was proved that so called "lycanthropes" were merely afflicted with
the windiigo spirit, which due to being cut off from it's summering
grounds in Northern Ontario forces its host to assume the form of a
wolf, thus disguising its unatural presence in the southern hemisphere
and camoflouging itself from the attentions of the spirit guides who
have returned with the summer sun. Reported cases in Europe were
surely exagerated out of jealousy and cases in winter explained by the
spirit needing to hide during winter upon ocassion. Of course claims
off the windiigos superiority to humans may pan out, seeing as it is
an eternal and ancient spirit, it has had long to learn and may force
the body of its host well beyond normal limits. At any rate, when did
the list become a SpecGram article :)
On 2/14/12, Петр Рихардович Кларк <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 18:12:21 you wrote:
>> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
> Oh, there is a Last Thursdayist in our midst! Burn the heretic!
> :Peter
>
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2l. Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:55 pm ((PST))
Peter, you cannot be suggesting that the research done under Comrad
Stalin was superior to that done uder Comrad Lenin or even under the
shade of Brezhnev s eyebrows, all of which flatly contradicts the
Stalin era results. No, if you want the best research on lycanthropy,
you must go to the work of the Czechoslovakians, Dr. Vlk in
particular. Stalinist scholarship! Bah!
On 2/14/12, Петр Рихардович Кларк <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 19:58:28 you wrote:
>> Darn, is there an answer. But what if the twins started showing heir
>> feralness on the full moon. They're werewolf twins, so I think I took it
>> seriously. They are discovered at age twelve. Would they have trouble with
>> language-learning?
> Pay no attention to Jen, she's obviously one of those people who thinks
> nothing of smearing the credibility of those who have dedicated the best
> years
> of their lives and spared no sacrifice at the altar of Merda Taurorum. I
> suppose we can expect her to say that vampires don't sparkle in the
> sunshine!
> As for your second question, although a normal child would of course be
> expect to positively indicate delayed language development and acquisition,
> we
> are of course dealing with lycanthropes, which, as has been more than
> adequately demonstrated, possess superhuman strength, speed, and senses far
> beyond those of both wolves and men. Although modern medical ethics forbids
> such experimentation, there are persistant and credible rumors that Soviet
> scientists under Stalin conducted extensive research into lycanthropes as a
> weapon of war, including their language acquisition capability, which was
> found to be consistantly at a far superior level to a normal human. I would
> thus suggest that there is firm ground to suppose that a lycanthorpe, verily
> even a feral one, would not be linguistically disadvantaged for very long.
> Regards,
> :Peter
>
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3a. Re: Worldbuilding Question
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:33 am ((PST))
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:58:27 -0500, J. Snow <[email protected]> wrote:
>Well, in some ways you're pretty spot on.
>
>The region its history has been dominated by Siru (the Sironu Empire) for
well over
>one and a half millenia.
Over 1500 years! That's very anomalously long; any Earthly empire that can
be said to have survived that long underwent a whole lot of internal
structural and political changes and shifts in the balance of power. But
you make it sound like it's only the fact of a _meteor strike_ which
shatters this crystallised political state and allows Siru's grip on its
territory to loosen. Why such stasis?
Alex
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4a. Re: Days of the week
Posted by: "David McCann" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:33 am ((PST))
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:23:30 +0100
Nikolay Ivankov <[email protected]> wrote:
> A friend of mine told me, that there are some 6 names of the days
> concerned with Bible in Irish, though AFAIR these wore mostly
> concerned with "before fasting" (on Friday) or "after fasting". Can't
> say for sure.
The Irish weekday names are Domhnach, Luan, Mháirt, Chéadaoin,
Déardaoin, Aione, Satharn. Obviously Domhnach, Luan, Mháirt, and
Satharn are from the Latin. I think Chéadaoin and Aoine mean
"first fast" and "fast", but Déardaoin is a mystery.
For Greek, "day of Hermes" is as old as the Latin "day of Mercury". The
seven-day week is not Jewish, but Babylonian, and the Greeks got it
along with astrology.
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4b. Re: Days of the week
Posted by: "Peter Collier" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:52 am ((PST))
A brief diversion within this general area of discussion: Does anyone have
the _vulgar_ Latin/proto-Romance names of the week days? I assume Saturday
and Sunday must have been *sambata dia and *domenicu respectively. What of
the others?
P.
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4c. Re: Days of the week
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:35 am ((PST))
Hallo conlangers!
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:32:12 -0600 Matthew Boutilier wrote:
> well, as you know probably know, germanic and romance languages use the
> names of old gods and astrological bodies.
So does my romlang Roman Germanech:
Sunday söldei
Monday läundei
Tuesday märdei
Wednesday merquerdei
Thursday jüdei
Friday venerdei
Saturday sazerdei
Old Albic uses a six-day week in which the days are named after
the elements (stone, earth, water, air, fire, spirit); spirit day
is the day of rest and feasting.
> [...]
>
> now, in terms of naming them (let-there-be-)light-day, bird-day,
> animal-day, man-day, rest-day, etc., which is probably closer to what you
> meant, i don't know of a natlang that does that but it's a very cool idea.
An idea to pursue in one of my European lostlangs! Thank you!
--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
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4d. Re: Days of the week
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:42 am ((PST))
--- On Tue, 2/14/12, Peter Collier <[email protected]> wrote:
> A brief diversion within this general
> area of discussion: Does anyone have
> the _vulgar_ Latin/proto-Romance names of the week
> days? I assume Saturday
> and Sunday must have been *sambata dia and *domenicu
> respectively. What of the others?
I have some NorAfr Latin derived Arabic ones knocking around somewhere if
that will help...
Padraic
> P.
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4e. Re: Days of the week
Posted by: "Nikolay Ivankov" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm ((PST))
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tuesday is "vtornik" (вторник), not "vrotnik".
>
Oh man... the thing I wrote could be understood too abusive by now. I'm so
sorry...
> stevo
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Nikolay Ivankov <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > In Russian three days are called by their number starting with Monday:
> > these are Vrotnik ("vtoroj"="second"), Chetverg (fourth) and P'atnitsa
> > (fifth). Saturday is Subbota, derived from Sabbath, and Sunday is
> > Voskresen'ye, which means "Resurrection". In previous times (and in
> > Ukrainian it is still so) Sunday was called Nedel'a (in modern Russian
> this
> > means "week"), and this means ~"do nothing". Monday is Ponedel'nik, that
> > is, the day that goes after "Nedel'a". Finally, Wednesday is Sreda which
> > means "middle" and suggests that previously the first day of the week was
> > Sunday.
> >
> > A friend of mine told me, that there are some 6 names of the days
> concerned
> > with Bible in Irish, though AFAIR these wore mostly concerned with
> "before
> > fasting" (on Friday) or "after fasting". Can't say for sure.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Scott Hlad <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > For Asirka, I have been thinking about days of the week. I was thinking
> > of
> > > deriving the names from the biblical creation narrative. I'm not sure
> > > though
> > > how that would fit in with the natural progression of calendar
> > development
> > > in the world. Obviously I can choose whatever i want. I'm wondering if
> > any
> > > natlangs used this as the basis of the names.
> > >
> >
>
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5a. OT: Lycanthropy vs Wold Children
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:48 pm ((PST))
Wait, isn't lycanthropy someone who thinks they're a wolf, whereas feral
children are raised by wolves? They are werewolf twins, but I can't see
where lycanthropy comes in.
Nicole Andrews
Pen name Mellissa Green
Budding novelist
Tweet me
@greenNovelist
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Turnbull" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
> What is this nonsense? Have you all forgotten when, in 1976, it was
> demonstrated that lycanthropy is clearly a manifestation of the
> windiigo in it's summer form during the 15 semi-anual conference of
> the North American Society for Research into Seasonal Ailements? It
> was proved that so called "lycanthropes" were merely afflicted with
> the windiigo spirit, which due to being cut off from it's summering
> grounds in Northern Ontario forces its host to assume the form of a
> wolf, thus disguising its unatural presence in the southern hemisphere
> and camoflouging itself from the attentions of the spirit guides who
> have returned with the summer sun. Reported cases in Europe were
> surely exagerated out of jealousy and cases in winter explained by the
> spirit needing to hide during winter upon ocassion. Of course claims
> off the windiigos superiority to humans may pan out, seeing as it is
> an eternal and ancient spirit, it has had long to learn and may force
> the body of its host well beyond normal limits. At any rate, when did
> the list become a SpecGram article :)
>
> On 2/14/12, Петр Рихардович Кларк <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 18:12:21 you wrote:
>>> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>> Oh, there is a Last Thursdayist in our midst! Burn the heretic!
>> :Peter
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
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5b. Re: OT: Lycanthropy vs Wold Children
Posted by: "Matthew Turnbull" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:01 pm ((PST))
Lycanthropy means the same thing as werewolf traditionally ;) It's also a
medical term for someone who thinks they're a wolf. Please note that
someone raised by wolves is *not* a werewolf, a werewolf is a person who
voluntarily or otherwise transforms into a wolf, traditionally under the
influence of the moon.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Wait, isn't lycanthropy someone who thinks they're a wolf, whereas feral
> children are raised by wolves? They are werewolf twins, but I can't see
> where lycanthropy comes in.
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
> Tweet me
>
>
>
> @greenNovelist
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Turnbull" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>
>
> What is this nonsense? Have you all forgotten when, in 1976, it was
>> demonstrated that lycanthropy is clearly a manifestation of the
>> windiigo in it's summer form during the 15 semi-anual conference of
>> the North American Society for Research into Seasonal Ailements? It
>> was proved that so called "lycanthropes" were merely afflicted with
>> the windiigo spirit, which due to being cut off from it's summering
>> grounds in Northern Ontario forces its host to assume the form of a
>> wolf, thus disguising its unatural presence in the southern hemisphere
>> and camoflouging itself from the attentions of the spirit guides who
>> have returned with the summer sun. Reported cases in Europe were
>> surely exagerated out of jealousy and cases in winter explained by the
>> spirit needing to hide during winter upon ocassion. Of course claims
>> off the windiigos superiority to humans may pan out, seeing as it is
>> an eternal and ancient spirit, it has had long to learn and may force
>> the body of its host well beyond normal limits. At any rate, when did
>> the list become a SpecGram article :)
>>
>> On 2/14/12, Петр Рихардович Кларк <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 18:12:21 you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>>>>
>>> Oh, there is a Last Thursdayist in our midst! Burn the heretic!
>>> :Peter
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>
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5c. Re: OT: Lycanthropy vs Wold Children
Posted by: "Matthew Boutilier" [email protected]
Date: Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:03 pm ((PST))
a lycanthrope (greek: lykos "wolf"; anthropos "human") *is* a werewolf -- a
wolf-human.
feral children are children not raised by humans. the word "feral" comes
from a french/latin word for "wild"; it has no inherent connection to
wolves, though there's the stock phrase "raised by wolves," and myths of,
e.g., romulus and remus who are cared for by a wolf. for whatever reason,
wolves seem to be a common substitute for human care in fictional cases of
ferality; however, "feral" does not in itself implicate wolves. feral
children can be raised by whales, dragons, or nothing just as easily as by
wolves.
werewolf twins are lycanthropic twins; lycanthropy is a fancy word for
werewolfiness.
you know, this has little to do with conlanging...
matt
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Wait, isn't lycanthropy someone who thinks they're a wolf, whereas feral
> children are raised by wolves? They are werewolf twins, but I can't see
> where lycanthropy comes in.
> Nicole Andrews
>
> Pen name Mellissa Green
> Budding novelist
> Tweet me
>
>
>
> @greenNovelist
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Turnbull" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: Babbling and Baby Talk
>
>
> What is this nonsense? Have you all forgotten when, in 1976, it was
>> demonstrated that lycanthropy is clearly a manifestation of the
>> windiigo in it's summer form during the 15 semi-anual conference of
>> the North American Society for Research into Seasonal Ailements? It
>> was proved that so called "lycanthropes" were merely afflicted with
>> the windiigo spirit, which due to being cut off from it's summering
>> grounds in Northern Ontario forces its host to assume the form of a
>> wolf, thus disguising its unatural presence in the southern hemisphere
>> and camoflouging itself from the attentions of the spirit guides who
>> have returned with the summer sun. Reported cases in Europe were
>> surely exagerated out of jealousy and cases in winter explained by the
>> spirit needing to hide during winter upon ocassion. Of course claims
>> off the windiigos superiority to humans may pan out, seeing as it is
>> an eternal and ancient spirit, it has had long to learn and may force
>> the body of its host well beyond normal limits. At any rate, when did
>> the list become a SpecGram article :)
>>
>> On 2/14/12, Петр Рихардович Кларк <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 18:12:21 you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right after they stop showing civilizedness. Or last Thursday.
>>>>
>>> Oh, there is a Last Thursdayist in our midst! Burn the heretic!
>>> :Peter
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>
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