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Topics in this digest:
1a. Barbara Newhall Follett's artlang
From: Rich Harrison
1b. Re: Barbara Newhall Follett's artlang
From: Padraic Brown
2a. Re: THEORY: Loss of allophonic variation
From: Eric Christopherson
3a. Re: Neoslavonic language tutorial
From: Nikolay Ivankov
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1a. Barbara Newhall Follett's artlang
Posted by: "Rich Harrison" [email protected]
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:14 am ((PDT))
Barbara Newhall Follett had a couple of novels published at a very young age
early in the 20th century. In 1939, at the age of 25, she vanished.
She had a conworld called Farksolia with its own language. Some fragments of
the writing, including a page of glossary, can be found here:
http://www.farksolia.org/category/farksolia/
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1b. Re: Barbara Newhall Follett's artlang
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:56 pm ((PDT))
Only one word for this --
wow.
Definitely taken away too soon! Now will have to read her stories...
Padraic
--- On Sun, 3/25/12, Rich Harrison <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Rich Harrison <[email protected]>
> Subject: [CONLANG] Barbara Newhall Follett's artlang
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
> Barbara Newhall Follett had a couple
> of novels published at a very young age
> early in the 20th century. In 1939, at the age of 25, she
> vanished.
>
> She had a conworld called Farksolia with its own language.
> Some fragments of
> the writing, including a page of glossary, can be found
> here:
> http://www.farksolia.org/category/farksolia/
>
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2a. Re: THEORY: Loss of allophonic variation
Posted by: "Eric Christopherson" [email protected]
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:46 pm ((PDT))
On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:25 PM, BPJ wrote:
> On 2012-03-23 23:38, Eric Christopherson wrote:
>> How likely is it that the phonemes in question have*only* voiceless stop
>> allophones?
>
> That's a good question. One immediately thinks
> "intervocalic lenition"! Then I remembered that the
> historical voiced fricative allophones of Finnish /p t
> k/ were actually not triggered by intervocalic
> position, but by being the onset of a closed syllable.
Oh, yeah. Does anyone know how the *onset* of such a syllable was affected by
the closedness of it?
> Synchronically the picture is jumbled: [ɣ] was mostly
> lost, [β] merged with /ʋ/ and [ð] merged with /ɾ l/zero
> or (in the Swedish- influenced standard pronunciation)
> became /d/, a new phoneme because the conditioning
> environment was sometimes lost since final /k/ > [ʔ] > 0.
>
> But more relevant: what about where there is an aspiration
> distinction. IIUC Mandarin stops don't have voiced allophones,
> do they?
Oh, good question. Now that I think about it, ISTR that they don't; but some
hits on Google contradict us:
<http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-1770.1959.tb01124.x/abstract>
"In Mandarin bilabial stops, aspiration is phonemic; voicing is allophinic."
(sic; I don't have access to the part of the article that has that quote)
<http://linguaphiles.livejournal.com/5008019.html>
- surrealkitten and muckefuck say Mandarin has voiced stop allophones; the
others in the thread seem to disagree
My conlang at the heart of this question has a protolanguage with voiced and
voiceless stops; the voiced stops later become breathy voiced, and they
eventually merge with the voiceless ones. So there is no aspiration contrast in
later stages.
>
> /bpj
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3a. Re: Neoslavonic language tutorial
Posted by: "Nikolay Ivankov" [email protected]
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:02 am ((PDT))
Downloaded the book. Thanks!
Everything looks pretty much readable, though I have some practical skills
in Church Slavonic, so that this can make some things
more understandable for me.
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Vojtěch Merunka <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello conlangers!
>
> This is the on-line English tutorial of the Neoslavonic language (NS),
> which is a non-commercial project made for the Interslavic community.
> Neoslavonic is a zonal constructed language made to facilitate direct
> communication between speakers of Slavic languages group.
>
> http://tutorial.neoslavonic.**org <http://tutorial.neoslavonic.org>
>
> regards
> Vojta Merunka
>
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