There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: ASL writing systems (and other OT subjects)
From: Sai
1b. Re: ASL writing systems (and other OT subjects)
From: Arthaey Angosii
1c. Re: ASL writing systems (and other OT subjects)
From: MorphemeAddict
2a. Re: Gripping language mini-documentary
From: Alex Fink
3a. OT: or tech or whatever
From: Brian Woodward
3b. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
From: Dustfinger Batailleur
3c. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
From: Brian Woodward
3d. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
From: Matthew Nichols
3e. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
From: Brian Woodward
4a. OT: Russian?
From: Brian Woodward
4b. Re: OT: Russian?
From: MorphemeAddict
4c. Re: OT: Russian?
From: Nikolay Ivankov
4d. Re: OT: Russian?
From: Leonardo Castro
4e. Re: OT: Russian?
From: Demian Terentev
4f. Re: OT: Russian?
From: Sam Stutter
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1a. Re: ASL writing systems (and other OT subjects)
Posted by: "Sai" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 11:09 am ((PST))
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:53 AM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
> You might be interested in _The American Sign Language Handshape Starter: A
> Beginner's Guide_, by Richard A. Tennant and Marianne Gluszak Brown,
> 9781563681301. Except for the initial division into subject categories,
> it's pretty good.
Does it cross-reference the signs in a series from their initializing
sign? E.g. ASL HELP gives rise to initialized things like THERAPY;
FOOD -> LUNCH, DINNER, BREAKFAST, etc. They're a change of handshape
but it's on-the-fly productive and clearly based on a semantic
clustering.
- Sai
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1b. Re: ASL writing systems (and other OT subjects)
Posted by: "Arthaey Angosii" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 12:58 pm ((PST))
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Alex Bicksler <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've never seen si5s before, but it's real pretty.
>
> I'd love to see a larger text in it, like maybe paragraph to page length.
The longest texts I've seen are sentences & short paragraphs posted to
the ASL Write group. For example:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/aslwrite/LC7flQ6nxg8
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Sai <[email protected]> wrote:
> For learning: if you're comfortable with linguistics and are willing
> to acquire your vocabulary elsewhere, IMO the ASL Green Book,
> Teacher's Edition is the best text I've seen on ASL grammar.
THANK YOU! This is exactly what I've been looking for!
--
AA
http://conlang.arthaey.com
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1c. Re: ASL writing systems (and other OT subjects)
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:09 pm ((PST))
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Sai <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:53 AM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You might be interested in _The American Sign Language Handshape
> Starter: A
> > Beginner's Guide_, by Richard A. Tennant and Marianne Gluszak Brown,
> > 9781563681301. Except for the initial division into subject categories,
> > it's pretty good.
>
> Does it cross-reference the signs in a series from their initializing
> sign? E.g. ASL HELP gives rise to initialized things like THERAPY;
> FOOD -> LUNCH, DINNER, BREAKFAST, etc. They're a change of handshape
> but it's on-the-fly productive and clearly based on a semantic
> clustering.
>
No, it's organized into the 20 categories, then the signs are ordered by
number of hands used, handshape, then by the other features. There is an
English-ASL index at the back, but no other reference or coordinating
section.
stevo
>
> - Sai
>
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2a. Re: Gripping language mini-documentary
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 11:46 am ((PST))
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:03:45 -0800, Sai <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 8:32 AM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In the videos, it's emphasized that the gripping language is an
>> exactly-two-person communication scheme, but it occurs to me that more
>> people could participate together, with hands held in a chain or circle.
>> Has this been explored at all?
>>
>> stevo
>
>Interesting point. It hasn't come up. FWIW though, I think it'd still
>be true that any particular communication *would* still be pair based;
>it just means that any person can have two parallel conversations (if
>they're good enough).
I thought it had come up. Given you say it hadn't, I wonder if I was talking
about it with Parker instead. We spent a little bit of time thinking about it
in as a potential gripping-native performance art. In the chain of people
clasping hands, let one be a storyteller talking to the people next to them,
taking generous breaks between sentence-ish chunks for the recipient to convey
each chunk along down the line. The interesting artistic potential then arises
in what successive people do with the story: it could be passed on as verbatim
as capable, human microphone style; or with silliness preferred to fidelity,
Chinese whispers style; or sticking to the main thread of the story but
allowing various sorts of rephrasing or re-connoting or re-perspectivising or
allusional recasting.
As for genuine conversations with multiple parties speaking, three people in a
triangle should be completely unproblematic (if they're all linguistically
ambidextrous). More people would need passing-along mechanics again; I guess
you could avoid collisions if you used a circular arrangement and directed all
the communication to flow one way round the circle.
Alex
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3a. OT: or tech or whatever
Posted by: "Brian Woodward" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:15 pm ((PST))
Where on the Internet could I upload a photo to share here? I have a filet
knife that has an inscription on the blade. It looks somewhat like Russian but
I really don't know and would like some help in translation. Thanks!
Brian
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3b. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
Posted by: "Dustfinger Batailleur" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:17 pm ((PST))
You could send an attachment.
On 3 February 2013 16:15, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
> Where on the Internet could I upload a photo to share here? I have a filet
> knife that has an inscription on the blade. It looks somewhat like Russian
> but I really don't know and would like some help in translation. Thanks!
>
> Brian
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3c. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
Posted by: "Brian Woodward" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:19 pm ((PST))
I thought attachments were rejected on Conlang.
Brian
On Feb 3, 2013, at 15:17, Dustfinger Batailleur <[email protected]> wrote:
> You could send an attachment.
>
> On 3 February 2013 16:15, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Where on the Internet could I upload a photo to share here? I have a filet
>> knife that has an inscription on the blade. It looks somewhat like Russian
>> but I really don't know and would like some help in translation. Thanks!
>>
>> Brian
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3d. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
Posted by: "Matthew Nichols" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:21 pm ((PST))
You could use imgur.com.
On 02/03/2013 01:19 PM, Brian Woodward wrote:
> I thought attachments were rejected on Conlang.
>
> Brian
>
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 15:17, Dustfinger Batailleur <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> You could send an attachment.
>>
>> On 3 February 2013 16:15, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Where on the Internet could I upload a photo to share here? I have a filet
>>> knife that has an inscription on the blade. It looks somewhat like Russian
>>> but I really don't know and would like some help in translation. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Brian
--
Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit. (Thus, silence
gives consent; he ought to have spoken when he was able to).
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that dares not reason is a slave.
William Drummond
What would you attempt to do if you knew you would not fail?
Robert Schuller
The Pale Blue Dot <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot>
Carl Sagan
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3e. Re: OT: or tech or whatever
Posted by: "Brian Woodward" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:29 pm ((PST))
That works for me. Thanks!
Brian
On Feb 3, 2013, at 15:21, Matthew Nichols <[email protected]> wrote:
> You could use imgur.com.
>
> On 02/03/2013 01:19 PM, Brian Woodward wrote:
>> I thought attachments were rejected on Conlang.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 15:17, Dustfinger Batailleur <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You could send an attachment.
>>>
>>> On 3 February 2013 16:15, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where on the Internet could I upload a photo to share here? I have a filet
>>>> knife that has an inscription on the blade. It looks somewhat like Russian
>>>> but I really don't know and would like some help in translation. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>
> --
> Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit. (Thus, silence
> gives consent; he ought to have spoken when he was able to).
>
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
> dares not reason is a slave.
> William Drummond
>
> What would you attempt to do if you knew you would not fail?
> Robert Schuller
>
> The Pale Blue Dot <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot>
> Carl Sagan
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4a. OT: Russian?
Posted by: "Brian Woodward" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:25 pm ((PST))
http://imgur.com/rmv7WMX.jpg
Hopefully this link works. I'd like help with translating what this says. Any
suggestions are welcome. Thanks!
Brian
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4b. Re: OT: Russian?
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:48 pm ((PST))
That's a tough one. My first thought was it's cursive German Fraktur, then
it looked like maybe Serbian (Cyrillic), but now it looks like anything in
Europe except Greek. It doesn't really look Russian to me.
The picture is very good, BTW.
stevo
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://imgur.com/rmv7WMX.jpg
>
> Hopefully this link works. I'd like help with translating what this says.
> Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks!
>
> Brian
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4c. Re: OT: Russian?
Posted by: "Nikolay Ivankov" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 2:18 pm ((PST))
Hard to interpret, really. The last letter of the first word may be î from
Romanian alphabet, bit I' can't be sure at all. Also, though people
sometimes write <Ñ> as something like m with a bar above (first word again)
it looks much more like <tt> with s single stroke. Also the first letter of
the second word doesn't seems to be Russian handwitten script at all.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://imgur.com/rmv7WMX.jpg
>
> Hopefully this link works. I'd like help with translating what this says.
> Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks!
>
> Brian
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4d. Re: OT: Russian?
Posted by: "Leonardo Castro" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 3:19 pm ((PST))
Meuttinu Lintiniu
P huno gronno Humero
Até mais!
Leonardo
2013/2/3 Brian Woodward <[email protected]>:
> http://imgur.com/rmv7WMX.jpg
>
> Hopefully this link works. I'd like help with translating what this says. Any
> suggestions are welcome. Thanks!
>
> Brian
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4e. Re: OT: Russian?
Posted by: "Demian Terentev" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 3:28 pm ((PST))
Not Russian definitely. The script is Latin.
2013/2/4 Nikolay Ivankov <[email protected]>
> Hard to interpret, really. The last letter of the first word may be î from
> Romanian alphabet, bit I' can't be sure at all. Also, though people
> sometimes write <Ñ> as something like m with a bar above (first word again)
> it looks much more like <tt> with s single stroke. Also the first letter of
> the second word doesn't seems to be Russian handwitten script at all.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Brian Woodward <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > http://imgur.com/rmv7WMX.jpg
> >
> > Hopefully this link works. I'd like help with translating what this says.
> > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks!
> >
> > Brian
>
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4f. Re: OT: Russian?
Posted by: "Sam Stutter" [email protected]
Date: Sun Feb 3, 2013 3:28 pm ((PST))
Looks like English to me - but I'm just about to go to bed now and am unable to
brain.
Possibly a name, maybe Matthew, or some version of it, then a surname, maybe
Finlay or England or something.
Next line, almost certainly "Island" then possible "around" and what looks like
"Hunts".
A memento of meeting someone called Matthew Finlay on an island near somewhere
called Hunts? There's a few islands between Hunts Point and La Guardia, New
York. Where did you find the thing?
On 3 Feb 2013,at 22:18, Nikolay Ivankov <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hard to interpret, really. The last letter of the first word may be î from
> Romanian alphabet, bit I' can't be sure at all. Also, though people
> sometimes write <Ñ> as something like m with a bar above (first word again)
> it looks much more like <tt> with s single stroke. Also the first letter of
> the second word doesn't seems to be Russian handwitten script at all.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Brian Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://imgur.com/rmv7WMX.jpg
>>
>> Hopefully this link works. I'd like help with translating what this says.
>> Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks!
>>
>> Brian
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