There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: conlang@listserv.brown.edu
From: Jack Steiner
1b. Re: [email protected]
From: Dustfinger Batailleur
1c. Re: [email protected]
From: Gary Shannon
1d. Re: [email protected]
From: Larry Sulky
1e. Re: [email protected]
From: H. S. Teoh
1f. Re: [email protected]
From: Jack Steiner
1g. Re: [email protected]
From: father's personal
1h. Re: [email protected]
From: MorphemeAddict
1i. Re: [email protected]
From: father's personal
2a. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: Matthew George
2b. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: Adam Walker
2c. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: Jim Henry
2d. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: MorphemeAddict
2e. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: Matthew George
2f. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: MorphemeAddict
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1a. Re: conlang@listserv.brown.edu
Posted by: "Jack Steiner" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 1:44 pm ((PST))
conlang@listserv.brown.edu I knew immediately that this was for you. its
cheap to get started it treat all my friends to dinner now. http://goo.gl/lLqaW
I'm even willing to reimburse your startup costs you've got to give this a try!
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1b. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "Dustfinger Batailleur" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 1:46 pm ((PST))
Seems legit.
On 7 March 2013 16:45, Jack Steiner <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] I knew immediately that this was for you. its
> cheap to get started it treat all my friends to dinner now.
> http://goo.gl/lLqaW I'm even willing to reimburse your startup costs
> you've got to give this a try!
>
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1c. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:06 pm ((PST))
Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Jack Steiner <[email protected]>wrote:
> [email protected] I knew immediately that this was for you. its
> cheap to get started it treat all my friends to dinner now.
> http://goo.gl/lLqaW I'm even willing to reimburse your startup costs
> you've got to give this a try!
>
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1d. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "Larry Sulky" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:36 pm ((PST))
I still can't figure out how he knew it was for me.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Jack Steiner <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > [email protected] I knew immediately that this was for you. its
> > cheap to get started it treat all my friends to dinner now.
> > http://goo.gl/lLqaW I'm even willing to reimburse your startup costs
> > you've got to give this a try!
> >
>
--
*Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day I
can hear her breathing. -- Arundhati Roy*
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1e. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "H. S. Teoh" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 3:45 pm ((PST))
On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:06:07PM -0800, Gary Shannon wrote:
> Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
ObConlang: how do you express the above in your conlang? ;-)
T
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PNP = Plug 'N' Pray
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1f. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "Jack Steiner" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:08 pm ((PST))
I just know you all so well of course.
In all seriousness though currently solving this bug. Sorry 'bout that.
> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:36:21 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> I still can't figure out how he knew it was for me.
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Gary Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Jack Steiner <[email protected]
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > [email protected] I knew immediately that this was for you. its
> > > cheap to get started it treat all my friends to dinner now.
> > > http://goo.gl/lLqaW I'm even willing to reimburse your startup costs
> > > you've got to give this a try!
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day I
> can hear her breathing. -- Arundhati Roy*
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1g. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "father's personal" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:16 pm ((PST))
In Senjecas:
spice = básmos; ham = spígos; spiced ham (SPAM) = bàsməspígos. Senjecas has no
way of expressing Spam meaning unwanted e-mail.
bacon - láȝos
fertilized egg = ooúȝes; egg for eating = ooúȝos
----- Original -----
On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:06:07PM -0800, Gary Shannon wrote:
> Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
ObConlang: how do you express the above in your conlang? ;-)
T
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PNP = Plug 'N' Pray
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1h. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:57 pm ((PST))
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, father's personal <
[email protected]> wrote:
> In Senjecas:
>
> spice = básmos; ham = spígos; spiced ham (SPAM) = bàsməspígos. Senjecas
> has no way of expressing Spam meaning unwanted e-mail.
>
> bacon - láȝos
>
> fertilized egg = ooúȝes; egg for eating = ooúȝos
>
What is an unfertilized egg not for eating called?
stevo
>
> ----- Original -----
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:06:07PM -0800, Gary Shannon wrote:
> > Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
>
> ObConlang: how do you express the above in your conlang? ;-)
>
>
> T
>
> --
> PNP = Plug 'N' Pray
>
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1i. Re: [email protected]
Posted by: "father's personal" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 5:06 pm ((PST))
No such thing.
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM, father's personal <
[email protected]> wrote:
> In Senjecas:
>
> spice = básmos; ham = spígos; spiced ham (SPAM) = bàsməspígos. Senjecas
> has no way of expressing Spam meaning unwanted e-mail.
>
> bacon - láȝos
>
> fertilized egg = ooúȝes; egg for eating = ooúȝos
>
What is an unfertilized egg not for eating called?
stevo
>
> ----- Original -----
> On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:06:07PM -0800, Gary Shannon wrote:
> > Spam, Spam, eggs, bacon, and Spam.
>
> ObConlang: how do you express the above in your conlang? ;-)
>
>
> T
>
> --
> PNP = Plug 'N' Pray
>
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2a. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "Matthew George" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 1:47 pm ((PST))
As Douglas Adams noted, the major problem with time travel is dealing with
the resulting grammar.
I'm trying to write grammatical additions that would permit Esperanto to
succinctly describe and refer to situations that hypothetically arise as a
result of time travel of various sorts.
For fairly obvious reasons, I'm trying to complete the monolinear version
before I start on the polylinear.
Matt G.
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2b. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "Adam Walker" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 1:58 pm ((PST))
Umm. Yeah. Prepare to be Sweet Browned.
Adam
On 3/7/13, Matthew George <[email protected]> wrote:
> As Douglas Adams noted, the major problem with time travel is dealing with
> the resulting grammar.
>
> I'm trying to write grammatical additions that would permit Esperanto to
> succinctly describe and refer to situations that hypothetically arise as a
> result of time travel of various sorts.
>
> For fairly obvious reasons, I'm trying to complete the monolinear version
> before I start on the polylinear.
>
> Matt G.
>
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2c. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "Jim Henry" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 2:00 pm ((PST))
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew George <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've been playing around with extending Esperanto so that it can easily
> refer to certain complexities. If I manage to pull it off, what would be a
> good way to expose others to it?
What kind of extension are we talking about? Something that would
result in a different language, or something that could still be
arguably called Esperanto?
Anybody can coin open-class words in Esperanto, and new coinages of
closed-class words and affixes may catch on once in a long while, but
new grammatical structures are unlikely to be received favorably by
most Esperanto speakers.
As for publicizing it, I'd suggest starting with a series of posts
here, then put up a web page (FrathWiki is a good place if you don't
have a site of your own), and post links to it in relevant fora.
--
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
http://www.jimhenrymedicaltrust.org
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2d. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 2:16 pm ((PST))
I once proposed a new tense for Esperanto, using an ending "-es", to
represent events outside the event cone of relativity.
http://www.lojban.org/files/papers/4thtense
It didn't go over well.
stevo
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Matthew George <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I've been playing around with extending Esperanto so that it can easily
> > refer to certain complexities. If I manage to pull it off, what would
> be a
> > good way to expose others to it?
>
> What kind of extension are we talking about? Something that would
> result in a different language, or something that could still be
> arguably called Esperanto?
>
> Anybody can coin open-class words in Esperanto, and new coinages of
> closed-class words and affixes may catch on once in a long while, but
> new grammatical structures are unlikely to be received favorably by
> most Esperanto speakers.
>
> As for publicizing it, I'd suggest starting with a series of posts
> here, then put up a web page (FrathWiki is a good place if you don't
> have a site of your own), and post links to it in relevant fora.
>
> --
> Jim Henry
> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
> http://www.jimhenrymedicaltrust.org
>
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2e. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "Matthew George" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 2:42 pm ((PST))
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
> I once proposed a new tense for Esperanto, using an ending "-es", to
> represent events outside the event cone of relativity.
> http://www.lojban.org/files/papers/4thtense
> It didn't go over well.
>
That does seem like an odd thing to represent in the fundamental grammar of
a language. What purpose did you have, that talking about extra-reality
events was crucial?
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
> What kind of extension are we talking about? Something that would
> result in a different language, or something that could still be
> arguably called Esperanto?
>
Esperanto is fairly simple and logical. I want to make a series of
extensions that removes as little as possible from the language while
adding the ability to represent certain concepts in the grammar.
For example, additional tenses are probably going to be required. The
existing ones are based on assumptions that time travel invalidates - or
that are special cases in a much more general system that the language
can't represent easily.
Even in the simplest scenarios involving time travel, you can no longer
speak of the past or future as something that will be the same for everyone
and everything. Instead of an absolute perspective, it's relative. So
grammar that permits only that absolute view excludes most possibilities.
And alternate time lines? Forget it.
> Anybody can coin open-class words in Esperanto, and new coinages of
> closed-class words and affixes may catch on once in a long while, but
> new grammatical structures are unlikely to be received favorably by
> most Esperanto speakers.
>
It's a sufficiently special-purpose addition that I'm not particularly
concerned about most speakers. It's not something that people would use to
discuss everyday stuff (since time travel is virtually all fictional and
the remainder purely theoretical/philosophical). The existing content of
Esperanto doesn't need to be altered, really. Which is why I'm thinking
about this as an add-on. Sort of a specialized, technical lexicon for use
in a limited domain, only for grammar. The chances of this being adopted *
generally* are, and should be, zero. Unless time travel becomes a reality,
in which case it would suddenly be useful, of course. (Chances still
probably zero.)
As for publicizing it, I'd suggest starting with a series of posts
> here, then put up a web page (FrathWiki is a good place if you don't
> have a site of your own), and post links to it in relevant fora.
>
Ooh, I'd heard that place mentioned before but hadn't visited. I'll give
it a look.
Thanks, everyone, for the advice.
Matt G.
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2f. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Thu Mar 7, 2013 4:55 pm ((PST))
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Matthew George <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM, MorphemeAddict <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I once proposed a new tense for Esperanto, using an ending "-es", to
> > represent events outside the event cone of relativity.
> > http://www.lojban.org/files/papers/4thtense
> > It didn't go over well.
> >
>
> That does seem like an odd thing to represent in the fundamental grammar of
> a language. What purpose did you have, that talking about extra-reality
> events was crucial?
>
Another possibility for the use of a new tense was an "unspecified tense",
as I understand Greek aorist to be, or as described in Rick Morneau's
Latejami. There are lots of things about Latejami that I think should be
part of a good language.
I think Esperanto should also have a way to say the passive (and middle)
without resorting to participles or suffixes ("-gx-") with other meanings.
stevo
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Jim Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > What kind of extension are we talking about? Something that would
> > result in a different language, or something that could still be
> > arguably called Esperanto?
> >
>
> Esperanto is fairly simple and logical. I want to make a series of
> extensions that removes as little as possible from the language while
> adding the ability to represent certain concepts in the grammar.
>
> For example, additional tenses are probably going to be required. The
> existing ones are based on assumptions that time travel invalidates - or
> that are special cases in a much more general system that the language
> can't represent easily.
>
> Even in the simplest scenarios involving time travel, you can no longer
> speak of the past or future as something that will be the same for everyone
> and everything. Instead of an absolute perspective, it's relative. So
> grammar that permits only that absolute view excludes most possibilities.
> And alternate time lines? Forget it.
>
>
> > Anybody can coin open-class words in Esperanto, and new coinages of
> > closed-class words and affixes may catch on once in a long while, but
> > new grammatical structures are unlikely to be received favorably by
> > most Esperanto speakers.
> >
>
> It's a sufficiently special-purpose addition that I'm not particularly
> concerned about most speakers. It's not something that people would use to
> discuss everyday stuff (since time travel is virtually all fictional and
> the remainder purely theoretical/philosophical). The existing content of
> Esperanto doesn't need to be altered, really. Which is why I'm thinking
> about this as an add-on. Sort of a specialized, technical lexicon for use
> in a limited domain, only for grammar. The chances of this being adopted *
> generally* are, and should be, zero. Unless time travel becomes a reality,
> in which case it would suddenly be useful, of course. (Chances still
> probably zero.)
>
> As for publicizing it, I'd suggest starting with a series of posts
> > here, then put up a web page (FrathWiki is a good place if you don't
> > have a site of your own), and post links to it in relevant fora.
> >
>
> Ooh, I'd heard that place mentioned before but hadn't visited. I'll give
> it a look.
>
> Thanks, everyone, for the advice.
>
> Matt G.
>
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