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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
From: Matthew George
2a. Robot DARYL needs a conlang
From: Kai Oliver Arras
2b. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
From: MorphemeAddict
2c. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
From: Logan Kearsley
2d. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
From: David Peterson
2e. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
From: Larry Sulky
3a. Re: Re extensions to Esperanto
From: Dustfinger Batailleur
4a. Re: Timeless tenses (was: Are there any conventions for issuing a pr
From: Patrick Dunn
5a. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
6a. Re: THEORY: Asperger syndrome and hyperpolyglotism.
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
6b. Re: THEORY: Asperger syndrome and hyperpolyglotism.
From: Leonardo Castro
6c. Re: THEORY: Asperger syndrome and hyperpolyglotism.
From: Leonardo Castro
7. Core arguments
From: Robert Marshall Murphy
8a. Re: How to choose the name of a conlang?
From: Leonardo Castro
8b. Re: How to choose the name of a conlang?
From: Padraic Brown
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1a. Re: Are there any conventions for issuing a proposed extension to co
Posted by: "Matthew George" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:05 pm ((PST))
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:01 AM, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The main issue is that, in the real world, we will rarely even need to deal
> with this scenario because time travel does not exist (and may indeed may
> be impossible).
I grant your point. But the same objection can be raised to any conlang
work.
> I don't see much point in optimizing a language for a
> specialized domain that many people will never use.
>
For the utilization of the people that might use it. As a fan of SF, I
often find myself annoyed by the shoddy plotting of time travel in various
popular media, but explaining why to others is often tedious and complex.
And I want to start off my conlanging on something relatively simple.
Besides, I might write a story or novel about Esperantists...from The
Future! and it would be convenient to have a language that can easily describe
complex meta-temporal situations.
> If you were making Gallifreyan, you might need this. Esperanto won't
> though, unless you are writing some fiction with Esperantist time
> travelers.
>
That may be a second project. Dealing with Dr. Whovian time travel is a
whole different kettle of fish. I'll consider tackling polylinear time
afterwards.
> Why not? Esperanto is effectively a living language. It was always
> intended to be a community project, and I don't think Zamenhof would mind
> people tinkering with it, as he didn't really mind when he was alive.
>
Especially since I doubt I'll be taking away or altering any of the
existing content. I chose Esperanto because 1) it's relatively logical and
grammatically straightforward, 2) it's a far better subject than English,
which is terrible, 3) it's a plausible auxlang for the future(s), and 4) it
reminds me of *Red Dwarf*.
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2a. Robot DARYL needs a conlang
Posted by: "Kai Oliver Arras" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:27 pm ((PST))
Hi,
I am new here and your help would be highly appreciated.
My lab has built the interactive robot DARYL. We are investigating abstract
R2-D2- and Wall.e-like languages for human-robot interaction since we believe
that non-human social cues make robots more believable. We developed a sound
synthesizer architecture based on SuperCollider to generate sounds in real-time
and have created a sound language -- so far in a totally informal way. Its
purpose is to enhance the robot's expressivity, see video at:
http://srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/videosdir/DARYLsounds.mov
Only recently, I came to realize that *you guys* are actually the experts in
construct what could be a proper, formally derived sound language for such
robots. We are a robotics research lab and have no expertise in this area.
Questions:
- Is this an interesting problem for conlangers?
- Has anyone done this before?
- Are there any links that I missed (after comprehensive internet searches
including this group)?
- Where could I get more information on the specific problem of creating such
languages for robots?
We are interested in creating a believable, understandable, and socially
acceptable conlang for DARYL. If anyone is interested to team up with us on
this, let me know :-)
Thanks in advance, best regards,
- Kai
........................................
Prof. Dr. Kai O. Arras
Assistant professor
DFG Junior Research Group Leader
Head Social Robotics Lab
University of Freiburg
Georges-Koehler-Allee 074
D-79110 Freiburg, Germany
Tel/Fax +49 761 203 979 46 / 75 20
srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de
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2b. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 2:27 pm ((PST))
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Kai Oliver Arras <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new here and your help would be highly appreciated.
>
> My lab has built the interactive robot DARYL. We are investigating
> abstract R2-D2- and Wall.e-like languages for human-robot interaction since
> we believe that non-human social cues make robots more believable. We
> developed a sound synthesizer architecture based on SuperCollider to
> generate sounds in real-time and have created a sound language -- so far in
> a totally informal way. Its purpose is to enhance the robot's expressivity,
> see video at:
> http://srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/videosdir/DARYLsounds.mov
>
> Only recently, I came to realize that *you guys* are actually the experts
> in construct what could be a proper, formally derived sound language for
> such robots. We are a robotics research lab and have no expertise in this
> area.
>
> Questions:
> - Is this an interesting problem for conlangers?
> - Has anyone done this before?
> - Are there any links that I missed (after comprehensive internet searches
> including this group)?
> - Where could I get more information on the specific problem of creating
> such languages for robots?
>
> We are interested in creating a believable, understandable, and socially
> acceptable conlang for DARYL. If anyone is interested to team up with us on
> this, let me know :-)
>
> Thanks in advance, best regards,
> - Kai
>
> I've seen robots using self-generated language in a video at
http://www.kurzweilai.net/could-robots-invent-their-own-language .
stevo
>
> ........................................
> Prof. Dr. Kai O. Arras
> Assistant professor
> DFG Junior Research Group Leader
> Head Social Robotics Lab
> University of Freiburg
> Georges-Koehler-Allee 074
> D-79110 Freiburg, Germany
> Tel/Fax +49 761 203 979 46 / 75 20
> srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de
> ........................................
>
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2c. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
Posted by: "Logan Kearsley" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 2:28 pm ((PST))
On 8 March 2013 14:17, Kai Oliver Arras
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new here and your help would be highly appreciated.
>
> My lab has built the interactive robot DARYL. We are investigating abstract
> R2-D2- and Wall.e-like languages for human-robot interaction since we believe
> that non-human social cues make robots more believable. We developed a sound
> synthesizer architecture based on SuperCollider to generate sounds in
> real-time and have created a sound language -- so far in a totally informal
> way. Its purpose is to enhance the robot's expressivity, see video at:
> http://srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/videosdir/DARYLsounds.mov
>
> Only recently, I came to realize that *you guys* are actually the experts in
> construct what could be a proper, formally derived sound language for such
> robots. We are a robotics research lab and have no expertise in this area.
>
> Questions:
> - Is this an interesting problem for conlangers?
> - Has anyone done this before?
> - Are there any links that I missed (after comprehensive internet searches
> including this group)?
> - Where could I get more information on the specific problem of creating such
> languages for robots?
>
> We are interested in creating a believable, understandable, and socially
> acceptable conlang for DARYL. If anyone is interested to team up with us on
> this, let me know :-)
I find it a potentially very interesting problem; I may or may not
have time on top of work and school to actually do anything about it!
I know of two things related to robots using language:
http://roila.org/ - a spoken constructed language intended for humans
to control voice-activated robots, optimized for accurate automatic
speech recognition for robots and ease of learning for humans (I have
no opinion on how well they have actually met those optimization
goals).
http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/artificial-intelligence/lingodroid-robots-invent-their-own-spoken-language
- robots designed to develop a simple language amongst themselves.
ROILA might be close to what you want, but as far as I understand it
it has a focus on human->robot communication rather than robot->human;
which is sensible to me, because if you want robot->human
communication for practical purposes, you generally just use set
recordings of appropriate expressions for given situations. Generating
language on the fly is not really an issue until you have hard AI that
can generate new concepts for encoding. Your problem seems to me to be
under-specified, though; "believable, understandable, and socially
acceptable" are very slippery ideas! If I were to work on something
like this, I'd want a much more specific enumeration of intended uses
and design criteria.
-l.
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2d. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
Posted by: "David Peterson" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 2:34 pm ((PST))
Hi Kai,
There are a number of conlangers who are interested in doing work just like
this. Take a look at the Language Creation Society's Jobs Board and see if that
might work for you:
http://jobs.conlang.org/
In the past when we've listed jobs there (however small) they're usually filled
within 48 hours.
Either way, sounds like a neat project! Keep us updated!
David Peterson
President, Language Creation Society
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Kai Oliver Arras <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am new here and your help would be highly appreciated.
>
> My lab has built the interactive robot DARYL. We are investigating abstract
> R2-D2- and Wall.e-like languages for human-robot interaction since we believe
> that non-human social cues make robots more believable. We developed a sound
> synthesizer architecture based on SuperCollider to generate sounds in
> real-time and have created a sound language -- so far in a totally informal
> way. Its purpose is to enhance the robot's expressivity, see video at:
> http://srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/videosdir/DARYLsounds.mov
>
> Only recently, I came to realize that *you guys* are actually the experts in
> construct what could be a proper, formally derived sound language for such
> robots. We are a robotics research lab and have no expertise in this area.
>
> Questions:
> - Is this an interesting problem for conlangers?
> - Has anyone done this before?
> - Are there any links that I missed (after comprehensive internet searches
> including this group)?
> - Where could I get more information on the specific problem of creating such
> languages for robots?
>
> We are interested in creating a believable, understandable, and socially
> acceptable conlang for DARYL. If anyone is interested to team up with us on
> this, let me know :-)
>
> Thanks in advance, best regards,
> - Kai
>
>
> ........................................
> Prof. Dr. Kai O. Arras
> Assistant professor
> DFG Junior Research Group Leader
> Head Social Robotics Lab
> University of Freiburg
> Georges-Koehler-Allee 074
> D-79110 Freiburg, Germany
> Tel/Fax +49 761 203 979 46 / 75 20
> srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de
> ........................................
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2e. Re: Robot DARYL needs a conlang
Posted by: "Larry Sulky" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 3:10 pm ((PST))
Hey, Hey, Rex May! At last! A possible maybe real need for self-segregating
morphology!!!!!! You and me, Pal!
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, David Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Kai,
>
> There are a number of conlangers who are interested in doing work just
> like this. Take a look at the Language Creation Society's Jobs Board and
> see if that might work for you:
>
> http://jobs.conlang.org/
>
> In the past when we've listed jobs there (however small) they're usually
> filled within 48 hours.
>
> Either way, sounds like a neat project! Keep us updated!
>
> David Peterson
> President, Language Creation Society
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Kai Oliver Arras <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am new here and your help would be highly appreciated.
> >
> > My lab has built the interactive robot DARYL. We are investigating
> abstract R2-D2- and Wall.e-like languages for human-robot interaction since
> we believe that non-human social cues make robots more believable. We
> developed a sound synthesizer architecture based on SuperCollider to
> generate sounds in real-time and have created a sound language -- so far in
> a totally informal way. Its purpose is to enhance the robot's expressivity,
> see video at:
> http://srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/videosdir/DARYLsounds.mov
> >
> > Only recently, I came to realize that *you guys* are actually the
> experts in construct what could be a proper, formally derived sound
> language for such robots. We are a robotics research lab and have no
> expertise in this area.
> >
> > Questions:
> > - Is this an interesting problem for conlangers?
> > - Has anyone done this before?
> > - Are there any links that I missed (after comprehensive internet
> searches including this group)?
> > - Where could I get more information on the specific problem of creating
> such languages for robots?
> >
> > We are interested in creating a believable, understandable, and socially
> acceptable conlang for DARYL. If anyone is interested to team up with us on
> this, let me know :-)
> >
> > Thanks in advance, best regards,
> > - Kai
> >
> >
> > ........................................
> > Prof. Dr. Kai O. Arras
> > Assistant professor
> > DFG Junior Research Group Leader
> > Head Social Robotics Lab
> > University of Freiburg
> > Georges-Koehler-Allee 074
> > D-79110 Freiburg, Germany
> > Tel/Fax +49 761 203 979 46 / 75 20
> > srl.informatik.uni-freiburg.de
> > ........................................
>
--
*Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day I
can hear her breathing. -- Arundhati Roy*
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3a. Re: Re extensions to Esperanto
Posted by: "Dustfinger Batailleur" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:35 pm ((PST))
I'm pretty sure that was a scam.
On 8 March 2013 11:31, John H. Chalmers <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some years back, there was a project to miex Esperanto with Cherokee to
> create a polysynthetic version called Poliespo, IIRC.
>
> --John
>
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4a. Re: Timeless tenses (was: Are there any conventions for issuing a pr
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 1:36 pm ((PST))
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:34 PM, R A Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> The so-called "tenses" of the subjunctive, optative &
> imperative are, of course, timeless, i.e. not tenses in the
> linguistic sense; but there were no timeless indicative tenses.
>
>
I'm working through Greek: An Intensive Course to try to get some more of
this language's endless grammar in my head, and every so often it says
things like "the tense in the infinitive is aspectual." It hurts my brain,
because that's not what *tense* means.
But I get their meaning. It's just a clunky way of talking about it.
It reminds me a bit of classical Hebrew, in which tense isn't marked but
aspect is. I suppose aspect is more fundamental than tense.
In fact, I can't think of a language that marks tense that doesn't *also*
mark aspect. I can think of a few that mark aspect but not tense (Chinese,
for example).
--
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5a. Re: Online Moten Dictionary
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 3:09 pm ((PST))
On 8 March 2013 12:58, A. da Mek <[email protected]> wrote:
> In the end, I decided to stick with the pipe.
>>
>
> Maybe you could use the broken one, 00A6 ¦ BROKEN BAR.
> The palatal sounds are often described as "soft", so the yin bar would be
> more appropriate than the yang one.
>
Can't type it easily on my keyboard. At least the pipe is readily available
without having to do weird contorsions.
But I don't understand why we're having this discussion. I am *not* going
to change Moten's orthography. I was just musing about the time when I
considered to do so. That time is past, and no argument is going to make me
change my mind on that.
On 8 March 2013 18:26, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Someone knows the word, but not what language it comes from, either because
> it was posted somewhere with insufficient information, or they are
> remembering the word but not where they saw it last.
>
>
That's an awfully specific scenario to change an entire orthography for.
> I'm not trying to get you to change anything. I'm just throwing out my
> ideas as to why conlangers in general would want to be Google-friendly.
> It's not so hard to do, anyway -- Google ignores diacritics, so that
> misspellings of foreign words can still find what the user is after. But I
> respect that you, specifically, have an established orthography that would
> be difficult to change at this point.
>
Thanks :) .
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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6a. Re: THEORY: Asperger syndrome and hyperpolyglotism.
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 3:23 pm ((PST))
On 8 March 2013 21:17, Leonardo Castro <[email protected]> wrote:
> I just saw this guy talking about relation between Asperger syndrome
> and hyperpolyglotism (in Portuguese):
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q78TIpSH6o
>
> He says that learning languages is a great activity for the typical
> "compulsion" of people with this type of autism. Do you anything else
> about this?
>
>
Well, I have Asperger Syndrome myself (have been diagnosed for two years
now. Am I coming out on the list? I thought I mentioned it before), and as
you can guess from my presence here language and linguistics are pretty
much my main interest :) .
And while I am not hyperpolyglot, I do speak three languages equally
fluently, two languages at a conversational level, and a few more at a
basic level. I love learning languages, and I am very good at it (I reached
fluency in Dutch in about a month), although the learning method has a big
influence on the result.
And of course I go further by inventing my own languages as well :P .
But all this is personal and anecdotal experience. I know a few people with
Asperger, and none of them display the kind of interest in languages that I
display (one of the conlangers I know personally –he's not on the list, at
least not anymore– has probably Asperger Syndrome as well, but he has never
been diagnosed officially. It's just a guess due to the fact that we are
otherwise so similar in behaviour :) ).
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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6b. Re: THEORY: Asperger syndrome and hyperpolyglotism.
Posted by: "Leonardo Castro" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 5:29 pm ((PST))
2013/3/8 Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[email protected]>:
> On 8 March 2013 21:17, Leonardo Castro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I just saw this guy talking about relation between Asperger syndrome
>> and hyperpolyglotism (in Portuguese):
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q78TIpSH6o
>>
>> He says that learning languages is a great activity for the typical
>> "compulsion" of people with this type of autism. Do you anything else
>> about this?
>>
>>
> Well, I have Asperger Syndrome myself (have been diagnosed for two years
> now. Am I coming out on the list? I thought I mentioned it before), and as
> you can guess from my presence here language and linguistics are pretty
> much my main interest :) .
I knew I would find someone in this list!
Excuse my ignorance, but I have heard the people with this syndrome
usually can hardly perceive or expresse irony, humour, etc., but you
seem to express yourself with a wide range of emotions in this list.
Is this information I got about Asperger syndrome wrong? How exactly
it affects you? (If it's not rude to ask.)
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6c. Re: THEORY: Asperger syndrome and hyperpolyglotism.
Posted by: "Leonardo Castro" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 6:01 pm ((PST))
It just occurs to me that maybe all of us conlangers should get tested
for Asperger syndrome...
There's a guy who make videos speaking many languages and post them on
YouTube. He _sounds_ very expressive (like mimicking native
intonation) but _looks_ as if he was programmed to do so (not an
offense). I wonder if it's a case of learning languages by complete
rationalization.
Até mais!
Leonardo
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7. Core arguments
Posted by: "Robert Marshall Murphy" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 3:31 pm ((PST))
I'm trying to do an Austronesian thing, while remaining a bit inventive, but
I'm afraid I don't understand as much as I need to. Causative clauses are
really messing me up.
In my language, four arguments are integral: Agent of Transitive verb (A),
Patient of a Transitive verb (O), Benefactor/Instrument (B), and Location (L).
The argument of an intransitive verbs is called (S). Per the Austronesian
alignment, there are four voices that change who is in the Direct Case, who is
in the Indirect Case, and who needs other cases/prepositions.
Actor Voice
S=A :: Direct Case
O :: Indirect Case
B :: Dative Case
L :: Locative Case
Patient Voice (with medio-passive tendencies)
S=O :: Direct Case
A :: Ergative Case
B :: Dative Case
L :: Locative Case
Benefactive/Instrumental Voice
S=O :: Indirect Case
A :: Ergative Case
B :: Direct Case
L :: Locative Case
Locative Voice
S=O :: Indirect Case
A :: Ergative Case
B :: Dative Case
L :: Direct Case
All that works for me (though I don't know how naturalistic it might be). What
I can't imagine is when I introduce the Causative Stem in the verb and I need a
FIFTH argument, the Causee (C). My English brain can do some like this:
I made him give you money on Tuesday.
He was made to give you money by me on Tuesday.
*You were given money by him - who I made do it - on Tuesday.
*Money was given to you by him - who I made do it - on Tuesday.
*Tuesday was when you were given money by him - who I made do it.
My question is this: Is there any language that I can look to for an example
that considers so many things central to the verb? Or is it universally the
case that once you get away from S, A, and O something's got to be dropped?
-Robert Marshall Murphy-
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8a. Re: How to choose the name of a conlang?
Posted by: "Leonardo Castro" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 5:19 pm ((PST))
2013/3/8 <[email protected]>:
> How about mixing E and F? "Leonlanku" or "LeonLink" :-)
With the phonotactic restrictions of the language, it could be
"Liolanku", "Lionlanku", "Liolinku" or "Lionlinku". I'm almost sure
that they don't cause problems to my word-break detectability system.
This name could encourage me to advance more quickly, as I would feel
that this is only a game of mine with no other obligations. Word
phonology is very closely related to word class in this language, so I
have to think about how I'm going to harmonize them, because I just
realized that I don't have good rules to create proper nouns except
for a particle that "properizes" common nouns.
>
> --Ph. D.
>
>
> Leonardo Castro <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Anauê!
>>
>> As more than one person have said, it depends on what my language is
>> intended to be. I don't have a conculture nor a conworld and I develop
>> my conlang "as if" it would be useful as an auxlang of ridiculously
>> easy pronunciation for most world's people but keeping word-break
>> detectability and controllable level of ambiguity (you can be as
>> specific as you want).
>> I don't know if a language intended to be auxiliary can be called
>> "auxlang" since its early development (BTW, how do you pronounce
>> "auxlang"?). Besides, although I do have auxlang dreams (phantasies?),
>> I think that an auxiliary language should be maturated (in both its
>> structure and utility range) instead of being completely conceived at
>> once and imposed.
>> In the age of glasses that translate languages in real time and show
>> subtitles, a constructed language has to find another vocation. So, my
>> language is above all an experimental language aimed at ease of
>> pronunciation, parseability and controllable unambiguity.
>> That said, my attempts were as follow, so far:
>>
>> > A. "language-spoken-by-people-X": English, Français, Português, tlhIngan
>> > Hol (?), etc.
>> * "language of linkers", "language of community", "language of this
>> group"... "linker" has two senses: people who link themselves to
>> others and the "verbs" that link a noun to another ;
>>
>> These names could sound as "Lalinki", "Lankuelinki", "Lanku-e-honti",
>> "Linkalanki", etc. I have also considered using Finnish root for
>> language and naming it "Kielu-e-kuopu" (language spoken by this
>> group).
>>
>> > B. "good language": Toki Pona, Nhengatu, etc.
>> * no attempt of this kind yet ;
>>
>> > C. "universal/international/World language": Mundolinco,
>> > Universalglot, Interlingua, etc.
>> It could be "Lankue Monti" (language of world people, also spelled
>> "Lanku-e-monti"), "Montalanku", etc.
>> As the compound "Lanku-e-monti" would be literally "the language of
>> the people of the world", it could be ambiguous as it could refer to
>> another better succeeded auxlang. But, if an auxlang has to use an
>> expression "language of the world" to refer to another language, it
>> might be interpreted as a declaration of failure. :-)
>>
>> A solution is to use some particles that make sure that it's a proper
>> noun, but it would sound as "liu-lanku-e-monti-lui-loi" (
>> open-parenthesis language of the world people close-parenthesis
>> proper-noun-particle ).
>> > D. some nice sounding word: Esperanto, any other?
>>
>> * I've considered using the three main articulations (labial, coronal,
>> gutural), different vowels and a nasal stop: "Lihanpu", "Hamontu",
>> "Limantu", etc. The name itself would be a demonstration of the
>> language sounds.
>> > E. a name related to the features of the language: Lojban, Loglan...
>> * The aforesaid names with "link-" fall into this category too,
>> because my language is binary, based on "links" between things (kind
>> of "oriented graphs").
>> > F. "language-of-person-X": Xorban, any other?
>>
>> * I don't like this option and I don't even know what my name sounds
>> like in my conlang yet. This kind of name would arise only if other
>> people started referring to my language as "Leonardo's language".
>> > I don't remember any example of the following:
>> >
>> > G. "this-language-I'm-speaking-
>> right-now": this could be done with a
>> > specific pronoun.
>> * with the particle "kou" that means "related to this text", it could
>> be "lanku-kou".
>> Do any of these names sound beautiful, funny or cacophonic to you? I
>> hope that avoiding voiced consonants doesn't make them sound as
>> "primitive". :-P Actually, you can pronounce any consonant voiced or
>> voiceless.
>> Até mais!
>>
>> Leonardo
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8b. Re: How to choose the name of a conlang?
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Fri Mar 8, 2013 5:49 pm ((PST))
--- On Fri, 3/8/13, Jörg Rhiemeier <[email protected]> wrote:
> /kʷətç/ 'language of small time' because the language is
> an attempt at a speedtalk with unisegmental morphemes.
> The name is anglicized as "Quetch".
I am sure there is no actual connection, but I do find a delicious irony
between this language, Quetch, and its self professed conservation of time
as a design goal, and the Yiddish near-sound-alike word, kvetch, which
is anything but, being a long and interminably drawn out complaint about
something.
Every time I hear someone kvetching on and on about some issue, I'll always
think to myself: ah, if only they were Quetching! They wouldn't waste even
a tenth the time it takes to complain about nothing at such great length!
Padraic
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