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1a. Re: A question about relative clause placement
From: David McCann
1b. Re: A question about relative clause placement
From: H. S. Teoh
1c. Re: A question about relative clause placement
From: p...@phillipdriscoll.com
2a. Re: Naming Things
From: Charlie Brickner
2b. Re: Naming Things
From: Roger Mills
2c. Re: Naming Things
From: Roger Mills
2d. Re: Naming Things
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
2e. Re: Naming Things
From: H. S. Teoh
2f. Re: Naming Things
From: Padraic Brown
2g. Re: Naming Things
From: Allison Swenson
3a. Re: This topic made me think of a topic I'd pondered about on anothe
From: C. Brickner
3b. Assigning Address qwas re:Naming Things
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
4a. Book Recommendation
From: Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
4b. Re: Book Recommendation
From: George Corley
4c. Re: Book Recommendation
From: Jim Henry
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1a. Re: A question about relative clause placement
Posted by: "David McCann" da...@polymathy.plus.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 8:04 am ((PDT))
On Thu, 8 Aug 2013 20:01:14 +0200
selpa'i <m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:
> In this language it's clear that a new clause starts because a verb
> always starts a new clause, and the arguments follow the verb. The
> relative "pronoun" here would *end* the clause, and be a way to
> specify the type of relative clause at hand; e.g. there could be
> different ones for incidental and restrictive clauses.
>
> Of course it's very possible that this kind of construction isn't
> found in any natural language.
The fact that the language is described as VSO doesn't mean that the
verb *must* come first. In natural languages, there are some that are
rigidly verb final, but I don't know (not that that proves much!) any
that are rigidly verb initial. And if a language has subordinate
clauses, it does make sense to put the conjunction first because it
conveys important information: there's a lot of difference between
"before" and "after"!
But it's true that languages can get up to anything. "He saw nothing"
is a silly construction, but the effect of writing has blocked the
natural evolution to "he didn't see nothing" in educated speech.
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1b. Re: A question about relative clause placement
Posted by: "H. S. Teoh" hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 10:58 am ((PDT))
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 04:04:09PM +0100, David McCann wrote:
[...]
> But it's true that languages can get up to anything. "He saw nothing"
> is a silly construction, but the effect of writing has blocked the
> natural evolution to "he didn't see nothing" in educated speech.
That reminds me of this joke:
Nobody is perfect.
I am Nobody.
:)
T
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Nobody is perfect. I am Nobody. -- pepoluan, GKC forum
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1c. Re: A question about relative clause placement
Posted by: p...@phillipdriscoll.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 11:09 am ((PDT))
"H. S. Teoh" <hst...@quickfur.ath.cx> wrote:
David McCann wrote:
> [...]
> > But it's true that languages can get up to anything. "He saw nothing"
> > is a silly construction, but the effect of writing has blocked the
> > natural evolution to "he didn't see nothing" in educated speech.
>
> That reminds me of this joke:
>
> Nobody is perfect.
> I am Nobody.
Which is better: 1. complete happiness in life or 2. a ham sandwich ?
Answer: a ham sandwich
because
a. nothing is better than complete happiness in life
b. a ham sandwich is better than nothing
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2a. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "Charlie Brickner" caeruleancent...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 8:29 am ((PDT))
Senjecas means âancient languageâ or âold tongueâ. Of course, in the
beginning, there was no name since there was no other language, thus no need to
differentiate. The name was given it later when daughter languages began to
develop.
I have devised a way of naming places (or people), although I have not yet used
it in any of my concultures.
Take the name of a place, then change the spelling by using the next letter or
second letter, etc., consonant for consonant and vowel for vowel. You can use
whichever alphabet you want. If your fictional place reminds you of a real
place use that name. I use <c> for /ʧ, tS/. You can also insert <sh>, <ts>,
<ng>, etc., if you want.
Thus, by advancing one letter Timbuktu becomes vonchalva, Shangrila becomes
tepsoma. These can then be adapted to your conlang if need be. If your
conlang requires that place names end in <a>, then tepsome becomes tepsoma.
Place the accent according to your conlangâs system. Senjecan phonotactics
require that vonchalva become vontsálvyas and tepsoma become tefsómyas. I
treat place names of more than one word as if they were one word, e.g., New
Orleans becomes pixusmiept (that may need to be tweaked!). Pronounce the <x>
according to your own phonology.
Iâm sure Iâm not the first person to think of this, although I've not seen
it elsewhere.
Charlie
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2b. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "Roger Mills" romi...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 8:45 am ((PDT))
Very clever!!! I'll have to try this, when I'm stuck for a place/personal/etc.
name
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From: Charlie Brickner <caeruleancent...@yahoo.com>
To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Naming Things
Senjecas means âancient languageâ or âold tongueâ. Of course, in the
beginning, there was no name since there was no other language, thus no need to
differentiate. The name was given it later when daughter languages began to
develop.
I have devised a way of naming places (or people), although I have not yet used
it in any of my concultures.
Take the name of a place, then change the spelling by using the next letter or
second letter, etc., consonant for consonant and vowel for vowel. You can use
whichever alphabet you want. If your fictional place reminds you of a real
place use that name. I use <c> for /ʧ, tS/. You can also insert <sh>, <ts>,
<ng>, etc., if you want.
Thus, by advancing one letter Timbuktu becomes vonchalva, Shangrila becomes
tepsoma. These can then be adapted to your conlang if need be. If your
conlang requires that place names end in <a>, then tepsome becomes tepsoma.
Place the accent according to your conlangâs system. Senjecan phonotactics
require that vonchalva become vontsálvyas and tepsoma become tefsómyas. I
treat place names of more than one word as if they were one word, e.g., New
Orleans becomes pixusmiept (that may need to be tweaked!). Pronounce the <x>
according to your own phonology.
Iâm sure Iâm not the first person to think of this, although I've not seen
it elsewhere.
Charlie
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2c. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "Roger Mills" romi...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 9:43 am ((PDT))
Very nice, and pretty much the way things work in my conlangs. "Kash" and
"Gwr"originally came out of thin air but with a little back-analysis it turned
out that Kash was a dialect variant of _kayi_ 'alive', and Gwr meant 'free'.
"Lañ-lañ" means 'children' bacause they believe they are 'children of the
volcano [god]'. (They are a separate species, so that belief doesn't apply to
the other people on the planet). The name of the planet, BTW, _Cindu [tS)indu],
is the Kash variant of Gwr _tring du [t\s\)iN du]_ 'dry land'. All in all, a
very interesting question and discussion.
Place names have tended to be a priori; only Andoli (so far) is meaningful--
'port of call'-- because that's all it was in early times; now it's a separate
nation. And the capital cities of nations are simply called _enje [Nation]_
'city [of Nation]', as enje andoli, enje kavatu, enje holunda etc. A few place
names are transparent-- e.g. rovovi 'two rivers', a town and province of Kavatu
where two major rivers converge. 'Kanak' 'claw' originally referred to the
jagged huge (Gibraltar-size) rock at the southern tip of a large peninsula
which, upon forther exploration, also turned out to look like a claw. Haven't
gotten around to very many small towns/villages..........
Kash personal names tend to be variants of lexemes; _shenji_ is from _çenjik
'stoic_, and possible variants would be çeçi(k), çeñi(k) etc. _mita (M)_ and
_mina (F)_ are from minda 'happy, smiling', and so on. It is permissible,
though rare, for parents to invent what they consider to be a euphonious name.
Surnames are often [son of...] locations, occupations, or other features, but
some are pure fabrications.... Gwr children tend to be named for circumstances
at the time of their birth, e.g. 'bright dawn'-- but NOT 'rainy day' or other
bad times (well, maybe....). Lañ-lañ names (so far) seem to be a priori, but
must have meant something way back when, like our names.
The word for 'language' is untransparaent in Kash and Gwr; in Lañ-lañ, it's a
compound of 'tongue + speak' *per+vil; but their own language is _prevli_ often
prevli/nta 'our language' (inalienable noun), but for other (non-Lañ-lañ)
people, the form is _pervil_ (and it's an alienable noun, so pervil/zet 'their
language'), e.g. pervil kaftu 'the Kash language spoken in the nation of
Kavatu'.
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From: Matthew Boutilier <bvticvlar...@gmail.com>
To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Naming Things
that's a perfectly good way of doing it. my conlangs have a pretty strong
historical dimension, so even though something was transparently named e.g.
"Red Hill" somewhere back in history it might've gotten fossilized as
"Reddul" or "Ro-dille" or something (you know, but a conlang equivalent).
i also take many placenames and personal names from *other* of my
concultures (some of which i haven't even fleshed out beyond such words).
geographical names - of mountains, rivers, forests, etc. - are especially
apt to be retained when a people speaking one language overtakes another.
but i've extended this even personal names.
i always think of the situation i encountered in Egypt, where probably the
majority of people have muslim names in Arabic that mean things like "most
praiseworthy" or "happy" or whatever with perfect transparency; but then
you've got people with these ancient Coptic names - *Shenouda* comes to
mind - that don't mean a damn thing anymore, they're just nice names.
which amounts to, often, i'll just make up a cool-sounding word and pretend
that at some point in history it meant something significant in some other
neighboring conculture. i make verisimilitude a top priority in my
conlanging, and even i have zero problem with just pulling a name out of
nowhere, assuming it fits into the appropriate contemporary phonology and
phonotactics and whatever.
for what it's worth, the name of my principal conlang *does* mean
"people-ish" basically. actually, "of the tribe" (but there are a bunch of
tribes, so it's sort of ambiguous; sort of like Deutsch vs Dutch vs
*duits*i suppose). but i have a lot of concultures (all kind of
existing in the
same con-world) that just have random meaningless words as their names.
matt
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Patrick VanDusen <pdu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you name things in your languages? Are all of your languages called
> "The speech"? Are all of your concultures who speak the language called
> "The people"? Do all of your towns have names like "Red Hill" or "Green
> Groves"?
>
> I ask because this is a weird mental sticking point for me--I never go much
> beyond naming languages, but the act of naming things always seems so
> *forced* to me. I end up gravitating toward names like the examples I gave
> above, but I can never get over the feeling that this is NOT how things are
> named.
>
> Patrick
>
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2d. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" joerg_rhieme...@web.de
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 9:47 am ((PDT))
Hallo conlangers!
On Friday 09 August 2013 06:11:58 Patrick VanDusen wrote:
> How do you name things in your languages? Are all of your languages called
> "The speech"? Are all of your concultures who speak the language called
> "The people"?
No, and no. Old Albic has the native name _Elbirin_, which
means 'Elvish'. Their self-designation is _Elbi_, sg. _Alba_,
which is semantically opaque, but seems to have meant 'the
Fair Ones' once.
The meaning of _Roman Germanech_, the name of my second most
developed conlang, ought to be obvious. (Hint: it is a Romance
language spoken in Germany.)
I always try to find names that don't just mean 'the speech'
or 'the people'. An Indo-European language I have on my back
burner goes by the name _Valkosunyka_ 'Wolf-Son-ish', its
speakers call themselves _Valkosunuja_ 'Wolf-Sons'. Before
I knew that it was named that way, my provisional designation
for it was _Sayan Para-Tocharian_, indicating its geographical
location (the Sayan Mountains in Siberia) and its position in
the IE family tree. Another language has the project designation
_Ibex_, as I fancy that these people have the ibex as their "totem
animal" (if that expression is appropriate; it is a lostlang in
the Alps), but I don't know what is their word for 'ibex' yet.
> Do all of your towns have names like "Red Hill" or "Green
> Groves"?
I haven't made up many such names yet, but they are generally
meaningful in the language.
> I ask because this is a weird mental sticking point for me--I never go much
> beyond naming languages, but the act of naming things always seems so
> *forced* to me. I end up gravitating toward names like the examples I gave
> above, but I can never get over the feeling that this is NOT how things are
> named.
Semantically opaque place names of the sort most Europeans are
used to happen when people move into an area previously occupied
by people speaking a different language, and take over the names
used by the latter.
Semantically opaque personal names happen when people for some
reason (e.g., religious ones) take over names from another ethnic
group.
In addition, word elements contained in native names can fall out
of use, leaving semantically opaque names behind. The German
surname _Hildebrand_ (once a first name) is a name of that kind;
it still meant something (I forgot what) in Old High German, but
it no longer does in Modern High German.
> Patrick
--
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2e. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "H. S. Teoh" hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 10:16 am ((PDT))
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 12:11:58AM -0400, Patrick VanDusen wrote:
> How do you name things in your languages? Are all of your languages
> called "The speech"? Are all of your concultures who speak the
> language called "The people"? Do all of your towns have names like
> "Red Hill" or "Green Groves"?
1) Ebisédian:
"Ebisédian" is actually an exonym. It comes from the word _3bis33'di_
[@\bi's@\:di], which is the plural epicene form of "person", that is to
say, "people". Foreigner visitors to the Ferochromon didn't understand
what this word meant, so they took it to be the name of the people, and
hence the Anglicised derivation Ebisédi + -ian for the language spoken
by that people. Internally, there is no real name for the language
either -- because the speakers only know of one! If asked, they just
refer to it as _ni 3bis33'di d3 3t3mii'_ [ni @\bi's@\:di d@\ ?@\t@\'mi:]
(the words of the people).
I have only coined a scant few place names in Ebisédian; most of them
have no distinctive meaning, they just follow the usual noun-ablaut
mechanism and proper noun prefixes (e.g., _ekaasi_ [E'ka:si], name of a
famous king; _`ylii_ ['Hyli:], name of a queen; _isili_, name of a small
village).
2) Tatari Faran:
Tatari Faran is an endonym meaning "the speech of Fara (i.e., the
Plain)". It is used to distinguish itself from various local dialects
that have diverged from a common ancestral tongue, spoken by the tribes
that live on the Fara; it designates the "official" common dialect that
everyone understands.
Due to the relatively small area of the Fara, many landmarks are quite
unique, so it's hard to tell if a particular word is a noun referring to
that object, or the actual name of that object.
For example, _huara_ "lake" refers to the lake on the southwest corner
of Fara -- the only lake in Fara! Hence, you have words like _huaranui_
"southwards" (lit. towards the Lake).
"Fara" itself is a name of this sort: it refers to the plain at the
bottom of the caldera in which the people live. Is it the name of that
place? Or is it a generic word meaning "plain"? Perhaps it's both!
There are also other words like _buara_ "volcano", that can refer to any
of the numerous volcanoes in the land; but when no referent is obvious
from context, it refers to *the* active volcano that sits roughly in the
center of the Fara, that featured prominently in the history of the
people. Did it start out as a generic word for "volcano" and eventually
specialize to become the name of that particular volcano? Or did it
start out as the name of the volcano, and eventually got generalized to
refer to other volcanoes? Right now, I've no idea, and neither does my
informant. ;-) In any case, you have words that are clearly derived
from the use of the word as a proper noun -- _buaranui_ "lit. towards
the volcano", for example, means "northward" for the southerners, and
"southwards" for the northerners, because the volcano is what divides
North Fara from South Fara!
As for personal names, so far I've a handful unanalyzable names like
_tuaman_, _misuu_, _daiman_, _kumbi_. But for a few famous characters,
I've also coined long-form names; e.g., the short name _teke_ has the
long form _tekekuhakirakisan_, which *may* have been derived from an
ancient construction in which a name is followed by a string of
adjectives describing the person. Some of the morphemes can be matched
up with dictionary words, but some others have unclear origin --
possibly due to fossilization of ancient words no longer in use. Another
example is _fia_ -> _fiajiniruteirisui_. These long-form names are
rarely used in everyday speech; they are only used on formal occasions
like the naming of a new child, official recognition of achievements,
funerals, etc..
> I ask because this is a weird mental sticking point for me--I never go
> much beyond naming languages, but the act of naming things always
> seems so *forced* to me. I end up gravitating toward names like the
> examples I gave above, but I can never get over the feeling that this
> is NOT how things are named.
[...]
This is one reason I haven't given a name to my new alien conlang. I
hesitate to simply coin a random word for it -- I need to figure out
enough of the language to know the naming rules, before I can give it a
proper noun^H^H^H^H I mean, name. Currently, I only have incomplete
pieces of the grammar, a probably-incomplete set of phonemes, and a
single character name. Not enough to go on when it comes to naming the
language.
In any case, when it comes to natlangs, natlang names tend to be either
exonyms or endonyms. Exonyms are what other people call the native
speakers and their language; endonyms are what the people call
themselves. The two often don't match -- e.g., "German" (exonym) vs.
"Deutsch" (endonym). In fact, the same language can have multiple
exonyms; e.g., the Russian name for the German language is немеÑкий
_nemétskij_, completely different "German" or "Deutsch". How this came
about can make for rather interesting conlang material.
On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 11:29:47PM -0500, Matthew Boutilier wrote:
> that's a perfectly good way of doing it. my conlangs have a pretty
> strong historical dimension, so even though something was
> transparently named e.g. "Red Hill" somewhere back in history it
> might've gotten fossilized as "Reddul" or "Ro-dille" or something (you
> know, but a conlang equivalent).
In Chinese, many names have transparent derivations -- _Shanghai_ "above
the sea" (i.e. upon the sea), _Henan_ "river south" (i.e., south of the
River), _Hunan_ "lake south" (south of the Lake), etc.. They haven't
changed much since the olden days when they were named. :) Though,
granted, the nature of Chinese writing does obscure the fact that the
*pronunciation* has probably shifted significantly.
So fossilization isn't strictly necessary in names. ;-)
> i also take many placenames and personal names from *other* of my
> concultures (some of which i haven't even fleshed out beyond such
> words). geographical names - of mountains, rivers, forests, etc. -
> are especially apt to be retained when a people speaking one language
> overtakes another. but i've extended this even personal names.
>
> i always think of the situation i encountered in Egypt, where probably
> the majority of people have muslim names in Arabic that mean things
> like "most praiseworthy" or "happy" or whatever with perfect
> transparency; but then you've got people with these ancient Coptic
> names - *Shenouda* comes to mind - that don't mean a damn thing
> anymore, they're just nice names.
>
> which amounts to, often, i'll just make up a cool-sounding word and
> pretend that at some point in history it meant something significant
> in some other neighboring conculture. i make verisimilitude a top
> priority in my conlanging, and even i have zero problem with just
> pulling a name out of nowhere, assuming it fits into the appropriate
> contemporary phonology and phonotactics and whatever.
[...]
That works too. :)
On Fri, Aug 09, 2013 at 11:29:38AM -0400, Charlie Brickner wrote:
> Senjecas means âancient languageâ or âold tongueâ. Of course, in the
> beginning, there was no name since there was no other language, thus
> no need to differentiate. The name was given it later when daughter
> languages began to develop.
I like this idea! I've blatantly borrowed the idea to Tatari Faran. ;-)
> I have devised a way of naming places (or people), although I have not
> yet used it in any of my concultures.
>
> Take the name of a place, then change the spelling by using the next
> letter or second letter, etc., consonant for consonant and vowel for
> vowel. You can use whichever alphabet you want. If your fictional
> place reminds you of a real place use that name. I use <c> for /ʧ,
> tS/. You can also insert <sh>, <ts>, <ng>, etc., if you want.
>
> Thus, by advancing one letter Timbuktu becomes vonchalva, Shangrila
> becomes tepsoma. These can then be adapted to your conlang if need
> be. If your conlang requires that place names end in <a>, then
> tepsome becomes tepsoma. Place the accent according to your conlangâs
> system. Senjecan phonotactics require that vonchalva become
> vontsálvyas and tepsoma become tefsómyas. I treat place names of
> more than one word as if they were one word, e.g., New Orleans becomes
> pixusmiept (that may need to be tweaked!). Pronounce the <x>
> according to your own phonology.
>
> Iâm sure Iâm not the first person to think of this, although I've not
> seen it elsewhere.
> Charlie
That's a rather clever idea!
Though I wouldn't do that in my own conlangs, I prefer to have names
that are *somewhat* possibly derived from words in an ancient version of
the language.
T
--
I am not young enough to know everything. -- Oscar Wilde
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2f. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" elemti...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 10:17 am ((PDT))
> From: Charlie Brickner <caeruleancent...@yahoo.com>
>
> I have devised a way of naming places (or people) ... Take the name of a
> place,
> then change the spelling by using the next letter or second letter, etc.,
> consonant
> for consonant and vowel for vowel.
>
> Iâm sure Iâm not the first person to think of this, although I've not
> seen it elsewhere.
I don't think I've used this precise transformation, but I've done similar. One
I've
liked takes the first phoneme and translates it to the start of a later,
usually second,
syllable which will bump that phoneme to the next or later syllable; then
transpose key
sounds in a fashion similar to how you describe. So, New York becomes
Evnorquiya;
New Orleans becomes Evnorleandria; Washington becomes Askwingthond. As per
your recipe, size to fit the phonology and tack on any needed grammatical
wossnames.
If you want to get complicated, take the last phoneme to be bumped and use that
to
create a mutation upon the first syllable of the next word.
Such alchemies would also work for personal names, Arls Chriquebinet, and even
ordinary common nouns: "repize ranz trumafer" sort of thing.
Apricot
> Charlie
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2g. Re: Naming Things
Posted by: "Allison Swenson" jlon...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 10:51 am ((PDT))
Most of the names I have currently more or less came out of thin air
because they worked with Tirina phonology; I don't do much with names
specifically because I have difficulty making them feel "right"! However,
the name of the language itself, I do have a history for. It is (according
to historians) the name of the leader who united the scattered dalar tribes
thousands of years ago. To bring them together, she forced the adoption of
a common language. Over the years, the language became known simply as
"Tirina", in honor of her actions, and the word adopted for language in
general later. So in a sense, the language *is* simply called "the
language"... but the name of the language came first, the word for
"language" came second.
Now whether or not that truly was her name, the name of her people, a name
she took later in life, or what, that's a very good question. She existed,
she united the tribes, and she probably encouraged the use of the language
that was supposedly named after her, but aside from that, the evidence is
pretty sketchy.
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3a. Re: This topic made me think of a topic I'd pondered about on anothe
Posted by: "C. Brickner" tepeyach...@embarqmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 12:19 pm ((PDT))
----- Original Message -----
Ho do your conlangs and concultures address homes?
Mellissa Green
I found your question confusing at first. How do I address a home? Hello,
there, Mr. House! Then I realized you were using the noun áddress and not the
verb addréss. Iâm not aware that áddress may be used as a verb. The AHD
gives no examples. But on to the question that I now understand, which is How
are addresses assigned to homes in your conculture?â
There are no addresses in Sefdaania. There is no mail system. No settlement
has more than a dozen dwellings. The Pyrans and the Humans arrange the houses
in a circle around a village green. The Hydorans arrange the stilt houses
(where the women and children live) in a semi-circle behind the menâs common
house. The Lithans scatter their houses across the valley floor. If a visitor
should arrive looking for someone, one just says, âThat house over thereâ.
Charlie
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3b. Assigning Address qwas re:Naming Things
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" goldyemo...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 12:25 pm ((PDT))
Interesting concept. I guess I should hade my question clearer.
Sorry.
So no one gets mail? What if there's news abroad?
Mellissa Green
@GreenNovelist
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Ho do your conlangs and concultures address homes?
Mellissa Green
I found your question confusing at first. How do I address a home? Hello,
there, Mr. House! Then I realized you were using the noun áddress and not the
verb addréss. Iâm not aware that áddress may be used as a verb. The AHD
gives no examples. But on to the question that I now understand, which is How
are addresses assigned to homes in your conculture?â
There are no addresses in Sefdaania. There is no mail system. No settlement
has more than a dozen dwellings. The Pyrans and the Humans arrange the houses
in a circle around a village green. The Hydorans arrange the stilt houses
(where the women and children live) in a semi-circle behind the menâs common
house. The Lithans scatter their houses across the valley floor. If a visitor
should arrive looking for someone, one just says, âThat house over thereâ.
Charlie
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4a. Book Recommendation
Posted by: "Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews" goldyemo...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 12:20 pm ((PDT))
I just bought this book called The Writers Digest Guide To Science Fiction
and Fantasy.
I'm recommending it to the group. It's not a secure pdf, so you can copy it
to notepad or msword if you want.
It has plenty of info such as worldbuilding and culture creation. I have one
I got from a course I took, but I feel the info given was too brief, but it
worked as good introductory material. This book I just bought has a
reference guide, which is good because I wanted the reference guide, but it
was previously in print, so I had to wait.
The book is by orSon Scott card.
It's $24.
I'm reading it now, and I'm sure I'll reread during the revision process.
Mellissa Green
@GreenNovelist
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4b. Re: Book Recommendation
Posted by: "George Corley" gacor...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 3:06 pm ((PDT))
Interesting recommendation, though these days I'm somewhat hesitant to buy
anything by Orson Scott Card. I'm sure there are some on the list that may
benefit.
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
goldyemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just bought this book called The Writers Digest Guide To Science Fiction
> and Fantasy.
>
>
>
> I'm recommending it to the group. It's not a secure pdf, so you can copy it
> to notepad or msword if you want.
>
>
>
> It has plenty of info such as worldbuilding and culture creation. I have
> one
> I got from a course I took, but I feel the info given was too brief, but it
> worked as good introductory material. This book I just bought has a
> reference guide, which is good because I wanted the reference guide, but it
> was previously in print, so I had to wait.
>
> The book is by orSon Scott card.
>
> It's $24.
>
> I'm reading it now, and I'm sure I'll reread during the revision process.
>
>
>
> Mellissa Green
>
>
>
>
>
> @GreenNovelist
>
>
>
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4c. Re: Book Recommendation
Posted by: "Jim Henry" jimhenry1...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2013 3:38 pm ((PDT))
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews <
> goldyemo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just bought this book called The Writers Digest Guide To Science Fiction
>> and Fantasy.
Is this the same book as was earlier published under the title "How to
Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" (Writer's Digest Books, 1990) or a
revised edition of the same? My copy of the latter begins "A writer
never knows who's going to be reading his book, but I've made a few
assumptions about you anyway..." If it's the same book, I can second
the recommendation. I haven't read it in some time, but I found it
helpful when I first read it. I've heard his book "Character and
Viewpoint" also recommended, but haven't read it yet.
--
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
http://www.jimhenrymedicaltrust.org
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