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Topics in this digest:
1. Advice for Ṫirdonic?
From: Cosman246
2a. Re: A directionality operator for word coining
From: Daniel Bowman
3a. Re: the Deep Structures of Language
From: Eric Christopherson
3b. Re: the Deep Structures of Language
From: Ph. D.
3c. Re: the Deep Structures of Language
From: Alex Fink
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1. Advice for Ṫirdonic?
Posted by: "Cosman246" [email protected]
Date: Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:15 pm ((PDT))
Dear fellow conlangers,
I am working to improve Ṫirdonic into a more naturalistic language suitable
for use as a proto-language. I have thus come here asking for advice.
In due time, when I feel another draft is at publishing quality, I shall
send it. The previous draft must first be reconstructed (I have the PDF, so
I at least know how to remake it), as I have lost it due to a terrible
accident.
-Yash Tulsyan
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2a. Re: A directionality operator for word coining
Posted by: "Daniel Bowman" [email protected]
Date: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:48 pm ((PDT))
This construction is not canonical Angosey; I thought of it last week
without a chance to play with it much. So (unfortunately) I cannot study
the Angosey corpus to tell you how it really works.
That being said, I think Scott's suggestion is correct. My conception of
how "ar" would work is similar to the middle voice as I understand it from
the Wikipedia article.
@Alex: I meant to say "maybe 'ar' originally meant 'moving inward." So
your intuition is correct in this case: the unmarked verb "sarhala" means
"glow" (light is being emitted), "ar-sarhala" would mean "illuminated"
(light is coming from some, possibly unspecified, source onto the object).
However, "ar" is a directionality reverser: the verb "tseya" means to move
upwards from the observer, "ar-tseya" would mean to descend from on high
towards an observer.
I wonder if I am developing negation words for specific aspects of verbs?
For example "ar" reverses the meaning of the verb, but only for verbs with
implied directionality. Thus Matt's question is: it can't happen for "to
be." Interesting. I will have to think about this.
2013/9/20 Matthew George <[email protected]>
> A few (hopefully) intelligent questions:
>
> Shouldn't the translation of *sarhala* be 'to illuminate' rather than 'to
> glow'? Glowing doesn't imply or require an object (in English), but
> illuminating does - a thing does not illuminate without something to be
> illuminated.
>
> Are non-object-oriented verbs even permitted?
>
> What happens if the *ar-* prefix is attached to verbs that aren't
> object-oriented? Particularly the verb for 'to be' or 'to exist', if one
> exists in this hypothetical language system. It would seem to require a
> very different way of conceptualizing and talking about existence than
> occurs in the languages I'm familiar with, although not so unfamiliar in
> philosophical circles.
>
> Matt G.
>
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3a. Re: the Deep Structures of Language
Posted by: "Eric Christopherson" [email protected]
Date: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:17 pm ((PDT))
On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:05 PM, H. S. Teoh <[email protected]> wrote:
> Speaking of animacy... I remember the first time I read about MRL
> languages and wondered how on earth the speakers would be able to make
> any sense of each other, since there is no way to tell who did something
> to whom.
MRL?
All I kind find is "morphology-rich languages"; but that doesn't seem
appropriate.
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3b. Re: the Deep Structures of Language
Posted by: "Ph. D." [email protected]
Date: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:54 pm ((PDT))
On 9/22/2013 9:17 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:05 PM, H. S. Teoh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of animacy... I remember the first time I read about MRL
>> languages and wondered how on earth the speakers would be able to make
>> any sense of each other, since there is no way to tell who did something
>> to whom.
> MRL?
>
> All I kind find is "morphology-rich languages"; but that doesn't seem
> appropriate.
MRL = Monster Raving Loony; languages which have one form for S and
another for both A and P.
--Ph. D.
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3c. Re: the Deep Structures of Language
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:50 am ((PDT))
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:54:35 -0400, Ph. D. <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 9/22/2013 9:17 PM, Eric Christopherson wrote:
>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:05 PM, H. S. Teoh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of animacy... I remember the first time I read about MRL
>>> languages and wondered how on earth the speakers would be able to make
>>> any sense of each other, since there is no way to tell who did something
>>> to whom.
>> MRL?
>>
>> All I kind find is "morphology-rich languages"; but that doesn't seem
>> appropriate.
>
>MRL = Monster Raving Loony; languages which have one form for S and
>another for both A and P.
http://www.frathwiki.com/Conlang_terminology#Conlang-exclusive_terms updated.
Alex
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