I'll bit.  Why does a "general theory of substantive due process" that requires legistlatures to justify invasions of liberty exclude economic liberty?  Or perhaps Marty would agree with Harlan's more moderate dissent in Lochner, giving legislatures substantial but not unlimited discretion in economic regulations?

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No.

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So does this mean Marty thinks that Lochner was correctly decided?

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I couldn't agree more.  And if the Court wishes to adopt Mark's "general theory of substantive due process," you won't get any argument from me.  But I fear that we're not seeing here a revival of Lambert and Robinson, cf. L. Bilionis, PROCESS, THE CONSTITUTION, AND SUBSTANTIVE CRIMINAL LAW, 96 Mich. L. Rev. 1269, and that this Court will reserve Lawrence-like scrutiny for impositions on only certain (for lack of a better word) "fundamental" privacy rights.  Or, put another way, this Court will quite readily find that the government does have "good/really good/compelling reasons" for restrictions on most other forms of liberty.  See, e.g., City of Dallas v. Stanglin.  But I'd love to be proven wrong.


Marty


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>Maybe the strategy of insisting that Lawrence is (really) a "sort of
>fundamental rights" case is mistaken.  (Certainly libertarians will
>think it is.)  Maybe it's a good idea to say that the government has to
>have pretty good/really good/compelling reasons to restrict any liberty
>at all (subject to the qualification that a different test should be
>applied when the Constitution specifically identifies a particular
>liberty -- e.g., property, free speech).  Maybe a general theory of
>substantive due process, suitably confined, with respect to (mere)
>liberties isn't such a bad idea.




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