In general, as-applied challenges are disfavored in the commerce clause area.  The 
Court has held that the validity of a challenged provision under the commerce clause 
depends upon the aggregate effect of that provision on commerce, and that the 
diminimis impact of any particular application does not matter.  That principle 
remains viable, at least as to provisions regulating non-commercial activity, 
post-Lopez.  Notice that while we normally think of a preference for as applied 
challenges as involving judicial deference to democratic branches, in this area, the 
reverse is true.  The insistence of cumulative facial analysis aims to protect 
Congressional power from too much judicial intrusion.

David M. Driesen
Associate Professor
Syracuse University College of Law
E.I. White Hall
Syracuse, NY  13244-1030
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MessageYes, it works both ways.  Just as the Court can single out certain applications 
to uphold as within Congress's power (e.g., Salinas, Raines); it can also invalidate 
only certain "portions," or applications, of statutes challenged on congressional 
power grounds.  In addition to Morrison, that also describes, e.g., Garrett, in which 
the Court invalidated ADA title I but left ADA title II for another day.  Why didn't 
the Court instead look at whether the ADA as a whole was "proportional and congruent"?

The ADA title II question is now before the Court (Tennessee v. Lane, No. 02-1667), 
and one question in that case may be whether the Court can or will evaluate the 
section 5 power to enact title II only as to certain "applications" (in that case, 
access to court proceedings), while leaving other applications (sidewalks, drivers' 
licenses, etc.) for another day.
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  From: Conkle, Daniel O.
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  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Lopez and "as applied" considerations of congressional power


  Cf. Morrison's invalidation of Congress's attempt to reach private action under the 
Violence Against Women Act, without any discussion of whether, as applied to the state 
university defendants, the statute might be within Congress's power under Sec. 5 of 
the 14th Am.

  Dan Conkle
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  Indiana University School of Law
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Marty Lederman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:35 PM
    To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Subject: Re: Lopez and "as applied" considerations of congressional power


    According to the SG's brief, Lopez was a twelfth-grade student who was apprehended 
at school carrying an unloaded .38-caliber revolver and five cartridges.  Lopez 
purportedly told local and federal agents that he had received the revolver from 
another person to hold during the school day for delivery to a third person after 
school, for use in a gang war.

    I assume Professor Lipkin's implicit question is why the Court did not discuss 
whether the Gun Free School Zones Act was constitutional as applied to Lopez himself.  
The simple -- perhaps too simple -- answer is that the statute itself was indifferent 
to whether the possession was with intent to sell, whether the defendant had an intent 
to transfer or to facilitate a gang war, whether the gun had travelled in interstate 
commerce, whether the crime affected interstate commerce, etc.:  The law permitted 
conviction based on evidence (beyond a reasonable doubt) of possession near a school, 
without more.  And presumably that's what the indictment in Lopez charged, and what 
the trial court found.  (Lopez waived his right to a jury trial.)

    Therefore, there simply was no factual finding, beyond a reasonable doubt or 
otherwise, regarding the purpose of Lopez's possession (or from where the gun had 
traveled, what it was to be used for, etc.).  In that circumstance, it would be 
strange for an appellate court, reviewing the conviction, to hold that the statute was 
constitutional as applied.

    Strange, but not unheard of:  That's exactly what the (unanimous) Supreme Court 
did in Salinas v. United States, 522 US 52 (1997).  In that case the Court avoided 
deciding whether the federal bribery statute, 18 U.S.C. 666 -- which does not require 
the Government to prove the bribe in question had a demonstrated effect upon federal 
funds -- is beyond Congress's Spending Clause power.  The Court instead affirmed the 
conviction in Salinas "as applied," id. at 60-61:  "[T]here is no serious doubt about 
the constitutionality of section 666(a)(1)(B) as applied to the facts of this case. 
Beltran was without question a prisoner held in a jail managed pursuant to a series of 
agreements with the Federal Government. The preferential treatment accorded to him was 
a threat to the integrity and proper operation of the federal program. Whatever might 
be said about [the law's] application in other cases, the application of [section 666] 
to Salinas did not extend federal power beyond it!
 s proper bounds."  What's really remarkable about Salinas is that there was no 
finding of fact in the trial court, nor any instruction to the jury that it had to 
find, that "[t]he preferential treatment accorded to [Beltran] was a threat to the 
integrity and proper operation of the federal program."  That's precisely what section 
666 did not require the government to prove -- which was why there was a 
constitutional challenge in the first place (or, more precisely, why there was an 
argument that the Constitution compelled a narrowing statutory construction that the 
Court rejected).

    Why didn't the Court in Lopez similarly hold something like the following?: 
"[T]here is no serious doubt about the constitutionality of [the GFSZA] as applied to 
the facts of this case. Lopez without question possessed the gun with the intent to 
distribute it for purposes of a gang war.  Whatever might be said about [the law's] 
application in other cases, the application of [the Act] to Lopez did not extend 
federal power beyond its proper bounds."  Perhaps because the Government in Lopez did 
not ask the Court for such an "as applied" holding; nor did the Government even ask 
the Court to remand the case for retrial on the questions of, e.g., the purposes of 
Lopez's possession, whether the gun had crossed state lines, etc.

    The short answer, from a practical perspective, is that the Court will analyze the 
statute "as applied," and will avoid the "facial" question of Congress's power, if and 
when it wants to do so.  (There is virtually no discussion in the Court's cases 
concerning whether and under what circumstances the Court should consider questions of 
congressional authority "as applied.")  Compare, e.g., Florida Prepaid, in which the 
Court majority in effect ignored Justice Stevens's argument, 527 U.S. at 654, that the 
federal patent statute was constitutional as applied to willful (and thus 
unconstitutional) state infringements, as alleged in the particular case, with U.S. v. 
Raines, 362 U.S. 17, 24-25 (1960) (Civil Rights Act of 1957 was proper Fifteenth 
Amendment enforcement legislation as applied to state official, even though statute on 
its face did not distinguish between public and private defendants).
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Robert Justin Lipkin
      To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
      Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:57 PM
      Subject: Lopez's Fateful Day at School


             I seem to remember reading recently that respondent Lopez carried the gun 
to school that fateful day in order to sell it. Can anyone verify this?  If so, why 
wasn't this at least mentioned in the majority and dissenting opinions? Off-list 
replies are fine.

      Bobby Lipkin
      Widener University School of Law
      Delaware

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