Hi, John…

The problem is that square dance history can’t really be separated into 
“traditional” and “MWSD.” MWSD grew out of certain forms of traditional 
squares, a step at a time, like the “word ladder” game in which you can turn 
WARM into COLD by changing one letter at a time, always using real words (WARM 
– WARD – WORD – CORD – COLD). Many aspects of MWSD – the club and federation 
structure, the insistence on couples, the series of lessons, the dress codes – 
were in place before the choreography had strayed very far from tradition. In 
other words, club callers in the mid-1950s were using a lot of traditional 
material along with stuff that was innovative at the time but that today’s club 
callers and dancers would dismiss as “traditional.”

Whenever MWSD advocates write history, they start not in the 1940s but in the 
1650s. They try to mention every form of European group dancing from that day 
to this, usually getting the details wrong. One state federation, arguing for 
the recognition of SD as the national folk dance, published a statement that 
“square dancing has been enjoyed in New Jersey since 1651” (the date of 
Playford’s first edition).

I suppose I’d be OK with separating trad and MW history, as artificial as that 
seems to me, if the MW people would agree to keep their hands off everything 
except how MW evolved from c. 1945 to now. We can’t just agree that 
pre-1940s/50s belongs on the Trad page and post-1940s/50s on the MW page, 
because traditional dancing (even leaving contras aside) has continued to grow 
and change alongside MWSD.

(Side note: Most of the current Trad SD page is my work. When I first became 
aware of Wikipedia, that page consisted of 2 or 3 sentences, beginning with 
“Traditional square dance is the form of square dance done in alternation with 
contra dance.”)

Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com<http://www.hands4.com/>
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)


From: John Sweeney via Contra Callers <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 9:44 AM
To: 'Caller's discussion list' <[email protected]>
Subject: [Callers] Re: Wikipedia Dance Vandalism

Hi Tony,
              I think the MWSD history should be on the MWSD page; the American 
traditional squares history should be on the traditional page and the main SD 
page should provide brief synopses of those with pointers to the other pages.

              My main interest is the main SD page.  If you publish your 
research and let me know what you would like added to the main SD page, then I 
would be happy to update the main SD page and cite your articles.  I am 
Dancer42 on Wikipedia.

            Happy dancing,
                   John

John Sweeney, Dancer, England   [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
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