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On Wednesday 25 June 2003 16:07, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Yeah, I really don't get the appeal. It's like someone saying "OK,
> either I can ship you this nice new car all built and ready to go, or I
> can send you several thousand parts and a screwdriver. If you're handy
> with a screwdriver it might go a couple of miles an hour faster once
> you're done building it, but you know, I can't guarantee anything". It's
> all pain no gain. :)
> --
> adamw
exactly I will repost my comments from pclinux online recently. Not that it
matters but others may be interested.
Oh man you have no idea. Sure in theory it should work well but I spent the
better part of a day setting everything up compiling the system compiling the
kernel. Good thing I've done all this stuff before or else when you reboot
you could find yourself without a network connection and they don't mention
in there docs to make sure and compile a nic card driver when you do the
kernel.
After all that I finally get rebooted and fstab was not set correctly. Um
their instructions were not correct for ext3 file system. OK go back to the
mandrake box and look at the fstab for the proper way to set it up. Then boot
of the gentoo cd again, mount the hard drive edit the fstab then reboot the
box. Now it boots all the way in. Yeah I'm in gentoo. Ok easy enough but lots
of messing around just to get a working install.
I had a few small issues with the nic. Seems I didn't compile the driver for
whatever stupid chip a linksys nic uses. Mind you I compiled most of them
accept for the 3com drives which I figured iwould not use anyway. So I
ripped out the linksis that worked from the live cd and put in a generic
realtek chipset. Messed around with the modules.autoload until I got the
right driver name and yea back on the net again.
Meanwhile about a day is wasted so far and this is on a athlon xp2400. Next I
want kde 3.2 well they don't have it so I settle for 3.1.2. Type emerge
kde-base/kde to just compile the whole thing with dependencies taken care of
and everything. At this point it compiles for about another half a day when I
get some really weird error compiling xfree. Ok really quick do a emerge
unmerge xfree (not the exact command but close) well since it was not
installed you cant get rid of it so I tried emerge kde-base/kde. It goes
through everything and starts on xfree again. A little while later and xfree
bombs out again with a different error.
STOP gentoo is going by by now. Enough days wasted. Everbody that thinks this
is so great is nuts. this is not to even mention I could not install onto my
highpoint raid controller because although the live cd saw it and could work
with it the partitions would get corrupted during format and then you could
not mount them. There were many other little annoyances that I had to work
through.
I tell you what the only reason I even attempted is because gentoo is what
became of another project I knew about years ago called enoch linux. I liked
it but it just disappeared. If this is what ports is though I think I can
safely say I have no need or want to try any of the bsd's. I can also say
that gentoo is not worth the effort. To little return for the time spent to
just get it working. It's not for the faint at heart and probably to much for
the average user also. For me I really wanted to see it working but I have no
more time to waste on it.
Allot of the gentoo guys complain about this and that but really and here is
the big problem either way if you add more functionality things will run
slower to an extent. Period. The reason gentoo runs faster is that you don't
have anywere near the amount of options available at first. If you add those
and get your system to the same level of functionality and usability it will
run just as slow. By the same token if you take things out of mandrake it
will run faster. There is nothing special either way you go. It just so
happens that for the ease of use, sane defaults, and completeness I prefer
Mandrake.
Oh and I guess you could speed things up so a small amount more on mandrake by
compiling the kernel but this is really a joke. It is not the kinds of things
most people will really notice. It's like going from a 2.0 gig system to a
3.0 gig system. At first it kinda feels faster but in reality it is not by
any noticeable amount unless you are using 100% of your cpu compiling stuff
or something intensive like that. For every day regular use it is simply not
that noticeable.I run a computer store and see many systems on a daily bases
so I do have a good point of reference on this.
I'm not trolling I waited to try Gentoo out. Now for the truth; Mandrake
includes most of those optimizations by default. Both textar and myself have
compiled the rpm's for athlon to see if it would make things faster. It's
doesn't or at least not noticeably faster than the mandrake defaults.I don't
care if others believe me or not. I'm not some leet speak little kid. I
happen to do computers, linux, and windows for a living.
There is allot of these rumors going round that are simply not true. Ask
textar himself which is faster he will tell you. On your system you shut off
things it runs faster. Period. Gentoo comes with nothing configured by
default and very few things running in the background. That is were your
speed comes from.
Now you have a choice easy usability and speed with many options or compile
from scratch hand setup everything and hope you know what you are doing.
Because if you forget to compile the vpn stuff into the kernel you have to
back to the beginning to get that. It's like that with every little thing on
gentoo. Mandrake has more options available by default and if you aren't
happy you can still do the source route not to mention that things are
configured good to begin with by in most cases others that have set things up
before and now how it should work.
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