Jason Komar wrote: > On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I will carefully try not to shout at you but: >> READ the LIST, try the possible patch, or go away! >> >> this starts to be another of those "hey, my kernel panic" "hey my >> kernel panics too! I think it might be xxx" >> >> This is not a newbie list. >> >> d. >> > > You know, I try to help out where I can with testing and bug reporting > since I am definitely not a programmer. The company I work for has been > very gracious in letting me do this on company time as a way to give > something back to the Mandrake community since Mandrake is about all we > use.
And they also directly benefit from the time you save by having access to some of the people on this list. As do other people (like the commercial side of our research group, such as running Danny's ACL-enabled kernel on 9.1 for a few weeks already). > I am not here to use the cooker list as a support list. In this > particular case however, the mbox file with the last 6 months of the > cooker list in it is on the machine that I can't boot. So if I could > READ the LIST I would gladly READ the LIST. Ahh, but this is the mind of info you should include in an original question which may otherwise look stupid "I can't access my cooker mail folder, but is there a known problem ..." would help calm someone down who is about to answer the same question the Nth time, while still trying to convince someone who can reproduce the problem to try a patch that will fix it. Anyway, I am sure the current releases rescue image would get you to the point where you could grep your mbox ;-). > I don't have a kernel panic > since I am running the multimedia kernel and I have not upgraded my > kernel lately. So Danny's previous work saved you from more pain? > This is not a kernel issue. How will we ever know if no-one is even prepared to try the patch (sorry, not near a cooker box now ... and even then, I need a working win4lin kernel a lot of the time, so I'm leary to mess with the kernel on it). > I appreciate all of the work that you have done in helping to make > Mandrake about the best Linux distro going, but as far as tact goes, you > haven't got much. If you tell all of the people who try to help out to > go away, you won't have much of a community left. I'm not trying to > start a flame war. I just want to let you know that if you treat > volunteers like this, they're not going to stick around. Most of the people you are replying to *are* volunteers, some of whom get no financialy benefit (as some people involved in commercial companies do). > People like me > who aren't the coders are the users and without our input, you don't > stand as much chance of have a distribution that people want to use. > I am no coder either BTW ... and remember, this list is not *really* geared at users, but testers. People who aren't confident in their ability to recover from a non-booting machine due to a broken package, or who can't afford the time to track something like that down should consider being more conservative in package upgrades, and check the list for known breakage (this is what I do with some packages, if I see breakage, I may add a package to my skip.list until I feel I have time to deal with potential breakage that may affect my ability to work on my cooker box) before running urpmi. Regards, Buchan
