Ben Reser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:00:05PM +0200, Warly wrote: >> IMNSHO: >> >> - I have no problem with the current cooker. > > Yes and you get paid to read the list. I don't. If you wanna pay me to > read the list then I'll suddenly be okay with spending a lot of time > reading stuff that doesn't matter much. I read the list so I can help > fix problems and get a better distribution. For my effort I do get the > reward of my issues being fixed (sometimes). However, Mandrakesoft > receives many times the reward for my effort. It's surprising that > Mandrakesoft consistently seems to be unwilling to decrease my cost (not > necessarily money) in helping them get a better distribution.
1. It is not the point of making _you_ happy or not, but making the _most_ of contributors happy. 2. Usually when one touch something that works quite well it gets broken for some time. Splitting the list means most of the people unsubscribing and subscribing to a new one, then change again, then complain that they do not understand in the new system, that the previous one was better... 3. And yes I am paid to spend my all day trying to build a damn distro and making most of the people happy, but reading cooker is not my main cup of tea, I prefer writing my book instead. >> - 500 mails a day is about 2 MB, which represents 5 min of a 56k modem >> connection. However the bandwith argument is still valid to my mind. > > It's not about bandwidth for me. When I'm at home on my fast connection > I don't care. It's about time and energy. When I'm away on vacation > and on a 56k modem the time that it takes to download is definately more > than 5 minutes and is definately not worth the effort. Why? Because > there is so much noise. Most of the list is utterly uninteresting for > most of the people on the list. It is still quite hard to find a way that pleased enough contributors to be efficient. Maybe could we first try with cooker-install for the install, cooker-mandrake-tools for the configuration tools, cooker-graphic-interface for anything related to KDE, Gnome and co and cooker for the rest ? > As I said before the argument for filtering and scoring is weak. > Everyone has to go to a great deal of effort (I'd argue so much that it > negates teh value in doing so) to set such a thing up. Split lists > provide a way that the effort of filtering is distributed to everyone, > sometimes people won't do their part to do the filtering right, > sometimes I won't agree with how they filtered things. That isn't > really all that different from those that have filters and scoring now. > I doubt those people can seriously claim that their filters and scoring > always pull the right mail out. > >> - I agree that some people have various interests and are not >> interested in such or such topics. >> >> - You are the guys who participate to cooker freely as an help to >> Mandrakesoft, and it should be at your convenience to decide what to >> do (however we can consider that this a community stuff that should be >> decided by all the active contributors) > > So how exactly do we vote? Who gets a vote? What constitutes an active > contributor? Who's going to tabulate the votes? I'm somewhat skeptical > of this. I've yet to see Mandrakesoft actually act on any sort of > "vote." Usually we're just told how things are and we can either deal > with them or not. If there's change afoot to deal with things > differently than they have in the past in that regard well great. I'll > reserve my judgement till we see what happens here. OK we are juste lames, you are right, forget about it. -- Warly
