That's right. In fact, I took a look at Helix-Gnome RPMs, which I downloaded 
from Helixcode site.
It says:  
Distribution: Helix-Gnome

So, Helix competes DIRECTLY with Mandrake, SuSE, RedHat and whoever.
I am really surprised HOW PATIENT Mandrake is.

HelixGNOME is nor free product, for sure. It is controlled by one company.
May be, possible solution for GNOME community will be to split development, 
and have one real independent GNOME, and one - HelixGNOME.

I don't know how big Miguel's personal contribution in GNOME coding.

As a person with marketing experience, I 'd say that:
1) Helix started very agressivly and did several very clever and right things.
All major announcements were connected to LinuxWorld, and they have got good 
press coverage. And a lot of attention.
2) Now, they are doing WRONG things. I will not wonder if press starts 
negative coverage on them soon.

To add more. Even GNOME Foundation is not bad thing. Question is HOW it will 
be managed. From my experience, big companies can't manage such stuff. They 
are TOO BIG. If Miguel will rule GNOME foundation as Imperator /or Tsar :-)/, 
GNome Foundation will become just department of HelixCode.

Anyway, 9 of 10 new startups go bankrupted, let Miguel go his way.  

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Franck Martin wrote:
|  This is what's happen when the main GNOME developper see all these people
|  making money and nobody wanting to pay his salary... I'm worried that by
|  grabing GNOME development to Helix/GNOME it calls for the dimiss of GNOME.
|  KDE with its imperfect licence is developped in EU, where software money
|  making scheme (SCAMS?) are less strong than in the US.
|
|  Cf Linux, cf KDE, cf Debian, cf Mandrake. vs Redhat, Corel, GNOME, and
|  Windows...
|
|  Franck Martin
|
|
|  -----Original Message-----
|  From: frank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|  Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:34 PM
|  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Subject: Re: [Cooker] [Fwd: [HC Hello] Mandrake helix-gnome rpms;)]
|
|  On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, John Grange wrote:
|  > that is simply lazy that is for sure if we can keep up with them there
|  > is NO reason that they can not make it in the first place they are
|  > keeping up with how many different distribs??
|
|  i'd guess that the folks at helix are far too busy writing press releases
| on
|
|  what they're "gettin ready to gonna do" to have time...today's, from
| miquel,
|
|  explains how they'll be selling weather reports for $3 - $5 a month...(a
|  certain money-maker)...that and that abiword is no longer of interest to
|  gnome/helix now that sun has dumped star office on them...
|
|  frank
|  --------------------------

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Vadim Plessky

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