On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Jean-Marc Valin wrote:

[snip by Chris]

>
> Could you stop telling me what applications I should use. KLyx is VERY
> different from KWrite and KWord, it outputs LaTeX, which is what I want.
> Besides that, what's the point of shipping an applications that doesn't do
> anything but crash your system? Besides that, I'm using KLyx to write my
> master thesis and don't want to change... And distro that doesn't have a
> useble version of it is out of the question for me (unless, I can install
> the KDE1 version).

There are some major updates of Klyx being done. Can you please let me know 
if the latest Klyx package causes the same problem. Then I may have something 
else for you to try. Please let me know. I posted a latest file list in a few 
messages today, I do not want to overload the list with another one.

>
> > |  - In general the kde2 applications shipped are much too unstable to be
> > | usable (maybe kde1 is not that bad after all).

Bug reports? Please give us something to work with. I keep hearing unstable, 
but no one who uses the word unstable gives me much more than that. Please 
give some examples without it we can not fix the bugs.

>
> I actually has a crash on KControl the only time I used it... I don't
> believe you can do anything useful with KDE2 right now.

OK, I am really try to understand the problems you mentioned but please do 
not say that. I am using kde2 every day for my main desktop since last 
November. Now that was almost unusable. I would have never put the packages 
into cooker until they where more usable, I suspect the last time you used it 
was when we where trying to fix the menu structure. I haven't seen a kcontrol 
crash in some time now. Can you tell me how to duplicate a crash?

>
> > |  There are more, but these are the ones I remember... So far, I find
> > | Mandrake 7.0 combined with Helix Gnome to be much superior to 7.2 (and
> > | 7.1 as far as I'm concerned). If you want more details on the bugs I
> > | note here, please contact me, I'd like to help make 7.2 usable for me.

Please send me a bug list from a RECENT version of kde2. I know it is a pain 
to forward a bug list, but that is really the purpose of the betas.

-Chris

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