Hi Pixel,
> we don't think this as user-friendly. Either a server is useful and should be
> enabled, or it is not and should not be installed (and the server must be kind
> of hard to install).
 If you want a comparison: in Windows 2000, terminal server, IIS server,
etc are not running by default, and it's still user friendly. With
Mandrake I believe that a lot of people install things but they don't
want to run it at the first time, they just want to install it for
future use. I, for example, only run Apache for occasional use before I
upload it to my server cyest.org.

Also, I had a problem when Mandrake Update (in 7.2), after
patching things, services which have already been turned off are turned
on again. I only need those services occasionaly (such as xinetd) and I
don't run it everytime.

> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gi/perl-install/share/rpmsrate
Well, first off, I don't have a write access to Mandrake's CVS :-) Do
you want to give me one?

I'm glad that finally you take off wu-ftpd. Can you increase the rate
for pan, a much better newsreader than archaic xrn for X-Window news
reader?

> we won't change this for 8.0
Well, this is entirely up to you. I'm just giving a suggestion. But if
Linux Mandrake has a bad reputation of being cracked (like Redhat before
7.0),
then it's not entirely user's fault. See attrition.org and watch why
Redhat
is hacked a lot, it's because they have a lot of junk services turned on
for their
web sites. I'm just concerned about Linux reputation about having bad
security
if vendors insist of doing this. After they got hacked, the clueless
will
say "Oh my... I should've just installed Windows, Linux is so insecure,
etc etc etc"... and remember that there's a lot of clueless people
who are trying out Linux.

The history repeats itself....

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