Timothy R. Butler wrote: >Hi everyone, > I just had a kind of "waaay out there" idea I thought I would toss on here. >Mandrake's urpmi mimicks the concept of apt-get, the menu system driving >Mandrake is Debian's, and many other things are done in a Debianish way. > So my thought is this, what about making Mandrake 9.0 or something like >that Debian-based? Here are the benefits as I see them: > > 1.) While RPM is great, dpkg seems to offer some really wonderful >features. It's also a lot easier to make packages, and simple to convert them >(I guess you could alias the command rpm to "alien --to-deb," actually). > > 2.) Urpmi too is very nice, but a Mandrake Debian setup would have a major >benefit - apt-get could be configured first to get Mandrake packages, and if >one didn't exist for a particular program, it could revert "woody" or "sid" >packages. > Except that urpmi works. Apt-get was nothing but a pain in my ass when I used debian, it died continuously, I had everyone trying to figure out why short of Ian himself, and no one could figure it out. I got a lot of "it works for me", but it didn't for me.
> > > 3.) Mandrake could be the first to offer offer an i586-optimized >Debian-based distro. > It would be nice to have a debian based distro with mdk's taste of packages, but I don't want mdk to change to apt-get. > > > 4.) This would further distinguish MDK from the "others" (RedHat and SuSE). > If distinguishing mdk to be different than others were the goal why be linux at all? > > > 5.) Finally, since Mandrake uses Debian-like ideas, and even uses the >Debian menu system, I would think it would be simple (relatively speaking) to >make such a move. > > I know it seems like this is a space that is already take with Libranet and >soon Xandros, but it seems to me the low-level Debian utilities combined with >the excellent interface of Mandrake could be truly a "killer app." > > Any thoughts? > > -Tim > > I agree to some extent, but I personally have had bad interactions with the "debian userbase" in ircland and other areas. Debian users as a majority are the most annoying linux users in the world who do nothing but complain about Redhat and Mandrake, they say this or that about it, but when you call their bluff and ask them to show you why it sucks they can't. So after all the bitching about Debian this or Slackware that I tried both of them, I liked the simple straight forward installs on both ok, slackware was fine. Debian was ok, fast install but the apps were older than Jesus, and updating with apt-get to testing or unstable broke the system, and apt itself would die 4-6 times during the updates. Got real old after about 10 installs on Debian. I seeked help on IRC to make sure I was doing it all right and all the Debianholes and Slacksuckers who said their distro's were so superior to Mandrake couldn't explain why Debian was sucking. Slackware was ok, but I wouldn't say superior. Why can't mandrake just be mandrake? It rocks just the way it is - why debianize it?
