[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>On Sat, Jul 13, 2002 at 03:20:55PM -0400, Austin Acton wrote:
>> Not the case.
>> Volunteered RPMS will be freely available on regular MDK mirrors,
>> provided they are GPL or similar. The only RPMS available only to club
>> members will be those that are free, but not open source.
>> New SRPMS will go directly into cooker if they are reliable.
>> You should contribute this way, because it helps the distro directly.
>So then what does this have to do with the club and what's different
>from contribs? To be honest I'm jaded about contribs anyway. The
>policy of how to contribute is unclear (at one point in time you were
>supposed to email lenny for a @linux-mandrake.com address, I've done
>that several times and just get ignored) and 99% of the time any emails
>about contrib business is just flat out ignored.
The club volunteers RPMs are different because they are there to directly serve the
interests of paying customers. Granted, Mandrakesoft gets money from this (but they
get money for contrib RPMs also). But the RPMs are still available to all, and they
are usually going to be requests for either:
1)Software which isn't in Mandrake/contribs/PLF/Commercial stuff
2)RPMS Rebuilt from cooker.
>Basically my attitude comes down to this. I'm sick of getting the run
>around about how to contribute to Mandrake. And I've found my time is
>far better spent building packages for myself and just posting them
>myself. If and when a reasonable system gets built for contributing
>that doesn't mean I'm wasting my time. I'll be willing to contribute to
>it.
Well, that is what I have done, see http://ranger.dnsalias.com/mandrake (ok, so
maybe OpenOffice.org and Mozilla appeared in unsupported later, but mine were up
first ;-)). I have about 1GB of RPMs for 8.0/8.1/8.2 and cooker up. But don't you
think that's a bit inefficient? What about Tex? He builds more than I do, but often
we're duplicating work. Although the Club Volunteers is a Mandrake Club initiative,
the idea was born on MandrakeForum, due to others having the same frustration you
have. The MandrakeClub is going to provide the infrastructure, and those of us who
normally build RPMS on stable releases (heck, I just built mozilla 1.0 on 8.1 for a
member of our LUG) can cooperate.
>Having just read through the FAQ about the club RPM thing. I'm not
>really convinced that this is going to change anything. The club
>SRPMS are going to have to be tied to cooker stuff. Which inevitably is
>going to lead to the same issue as contrib has now, limited Mandrake
>staff time to deal with the influx of SRPMS. This limited time is in my
>opinion the root cause of the issues that I see with contrib now.
>So my question is. Rather than trying to come up with some new "system"
>for contrib packages (which is what I see the club rpm thing as) why
>don't we first figure out what's broken with what we've got?
Firstly, Mandrake staff aren't the only people who have write access to contribs. I
have a number of packages which I put in myself. I will try and test all the new
RPMS from the Club and have them added to cooker if appropriate.
Please join the mailing list, and at least ask some questions. Deno has just given
about 5 of us access to a machine to upload RPMs, I have uploaded my first RPM (k3b
built for KDE3.0 on Mandrake 8.2), and RPMS shuold appear on the mirrors quite soon.
Regarding contrib, I agree that the process needs to be streamlined, and that the
differing instructions need to be fixed, but in the end a lot of people are
contributing. Mail lenny. Mail him again. He is busy, but if you bug him, he will do
something about it.
Please think about how much time could be saved if we worked together on updating
the stable releases, rather than each building a few RPMs, and duplicating each
other's work.
Regards,
Buchan
