--- J.A._Magall�n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 2002.11.21 David Walser wrote:
> > --- J.A._Magall?n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Someone should be thrown down a bridge
> > > 
> > > __WHY THE H.LL IS GERAMIK CHANGING SYSTEM WIDE
> > > DEFAULT FILES ?????__
> > 
> > Dude, calm the heck down.  Number one if you
> *look* at
> > the actual code it doesn't change them at all if
> > there's something else already in place.
> >
> 
> werewolf:~# rpm -qf /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc
> file /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc is not owned by any package
> werewolf:~# rpm -qf /etc/gtk/gtkrc
> file /etc/gtk/gtkrc is not owned by any package

Is that important?  I think there's another way to do
it so that wouldn't be the case.

> So nobody install a system wide default. So any
> theme should
> assume he is going to be the default. Especially if
> breaks
> the user ability to change.

It absoultely does not, in fact it goes out of its way
to make sure it's easy to change.

> [..]
> > exactly, see how easy that was?
> > 
> 
> Yup. I knew about --scripts to see what the package
> did.
> Now think on a novice user that installs 9.1 and
> can't personalize
> its desktop. Will throw the Mandrake CDs to trash.

IT DOESN'T OVERRIDE A USER'S SETTINGS.  Also, if they
*chose* to install it they wanted it.

> > > again. But Geramik theme doesn't work.
> > 
> > It works great.
> > 
> 
> After deleting the -rc files, I change theme on
> GnomeCC::Theme,
> and colors change to Geramik ones but no
> pixmapping...

GnomeCC is not the way to use it.  Do you even know
what Geramik is for?

> > > This escaped you, Lenny ;)
> > 
> > No.  The assumption is if you install it you want
> it
> > the default.  Don't?  Don't install it. 
> 
> How can I know ? At least a line in rpm -qi ? 'This
> theme will change your desktop appearance for ever'

Forever?  No, that's quite far from the truth. 
Noone's going to install it w/out wanting it to be the
default.  The whole point of it is Keramik is the KDE
default and this is for consistency (think Bluecurve
just w/out breaking code and less ugly).

> > Also it
> > doesn't override the user's theme choice.
> >
> 
> It did, after installation you can't change theme.
> Colors change, but engine is not changed. It only
> happens when you go to or from Geramik.

Wrong.

> And I found the bug: the file 
> /usr/share/themes/Geramik/gtk-2.0/gtkrc-2.0
> should be named just gtkrc. With this change Geramik
> works as expected wrt other themes, ie, engines also
> switch.

Why?  It works fine as is.  If you think that's a bug,
tell the Geramik author.  I know switch already works
fine (but that's Gtk+1).

> > It goes out of its way to not get in the
> sysadmin's
> > way.  If they have another gtkrc there it doesn't
> > touch it, and if you want to just have the Default
> > default be the default, you just delete the
> gtkrc's.  Easy.
> > 
> 
> And what if all themes decide they want to be the
> default ?

This is different.  The only point to this theme
existing is to be default, because Keramik is KDE
default.  Noone's going to install this for any other reason.

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