Buchan Milne wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Felix Miata wrote: > > The system I most often boot to Mandrake has no sound card, and takes > > more like a minute to complete a login if not root. There's no excuse > > for such behavior to have survived the 9.0 beta process, much less > > continue in 9.1. 7.1 has no such problem on the same machine. > Would you rather a newbie has to figure out the 17 groups he needs to be a > member of to use his hardware? > Would you rather default to having each user on a network being a member > of 5 additional groups (1/3 of the available NFS groups per user). (the > other alternative is to no allow users on a network access to the hardware > on their own machine, or leave it insecure). > Really, even n my machine that doesn't handle 700MB ISOs, login takes no > more than a few seconds. Of course, you can disable pam_console for > console logins, and tell us how you like it ... > Remember in 7.1 etc you needed to be a member of the audio group to even > run xmms? You had to be in group cdwriter to write a CD, in group tty to > use a serial port, and group usb to access you Visor or scanner. This is > where Gentoo is atm ....
A user who has to wait 15-20 seconds to complete a non-root login that completes instantly as root is sure to think something is broken and/or login to root all the time instead. You'd rather the newbies always run as root? Fact is, something is broken if a service so basic as logging can't be completed in under four seconds on a machine with only the console capable of accepting login. That's longer than it took me in 1973. I just booted 9.0 on my W98 machine and it took 17 seconds flat on VC4, much too long. -- "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." William James Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
