-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 13:21, Teletch�a St�phane a �crit : > Le jeu 16/01/2003 � 11:55, Pascal LACROIX a �crit : > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 09:58, Adam Williamson a �crit : > > > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote: > > > > > Could it be? > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192 > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean? > > > > > > > > It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their > > > > debtors so that they can continue business as almost normal. It also > > > > means that we need to buckle down and try to make this company some > > > > money any way we can. > > > > As french, suggest Mandrake to be more present in shop and distributors. > > realy think it's also one problem they should work around. > > For the moment i had hardly walked arround to find LM distro. > > Be that understand, soft business run also by soft distributors next to > > your home. > > > > As that, LM will touch others peoples, those who could discover Linux. > > LM is not for "gourou" but for a large soft users population, and should > > be pushed out of it apparent confidenciality. > > Realy in France, Mandrake should work hardly in that way in order to > > save more money. > > > > > I really don't understand this position. > > > > > > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to > > > be profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near > > > bankruptcy) through normal business operations. If not, it deserves to > > > fail. This is the logic of capitalism, the system MandrakeSoft decided > > > to exist under. Live by the sword, die by the sword. I'm not about to > > > give my money to a failing business simply to keep it alive, there are > > > charities which are in far more deserving need of it. > > > > > > I use Mandrake Linux because it's an excellent distribution. I also > > > know that, thanks to the nature of free software, the distribution is > > > not the company. If MandrakeSoft does fail...so what? Mandrake is still > > > there, the entire source code is in the open, as is the development > > > process. There's nothing at all to prevent development continuing, > > > either along Debian lines or through the formation by the Mandrake > > > developers of a new company with new financing, which would be free of > > > the large debts and obligations which are currently held by > > > MandrakeSoft, thanks to the crappy business decisions of the dot.com > > > boom era. > > > > > > > They have bought time in order to probably get the Mandrake club > > > > fortified with subscriptions, amoung other things (deals coming down > > > > the pipe that won't mature for awhile), so that they won't be > > > > throttled to death while they are running for the finish line. > > > > > > This is the line MandrakeSoft has been feeding its customers for a > > > while now - "this is just a temporary problem, the rosy future is just > > > around the corner! No, actually, we lied, it's just around this NEXT > > > corner! Uh, just hold on to the next corner, would you?" It's starting > > > to wear a little thin. > > > > Best Regards > > Pascal LACROIX > > - -- > > GPG Public Key available at http://gpg.mit.edu > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE+Jo/FkEN5g66hPygRAh3XAJ9okUFQ3jF9aiBK96TbE9/lTOzpegCfZxzw > > ght/z4uX0ozzgUB7njWiE2k= > > =TCGE > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Fisrt of all : is the signing web site available, i cannot reach it ... > Second : about the thread. > I think the ongoing problems for Mandrake is that they don't yet offer > sufficient goodies to clients for having them buy a pack or subscribe a > club membership. > I've participated in some betas now, and i think i've paid enough (time) > to Mdk's developpment. This is the way i give it back. I'll continue > with the 9.1 release ... > I've also buy a pack for myself (8.0) and for my lab (8.1), but i'm now > using 8.2 in the lab and 9.0 at home. > In 8.2 i had a cdrom problem very annoying, and it is ONLY because i've > subscribed to cooker that i have been able to cope with it : i 've > disactivated the DMA for it and the random hungs disapeared. (LG model > of cd burner(HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8240B in harddrake). I called the > technical service, they complained about my 8.1 version instead of 8.2, > but after one hour, they couldn't help me and finally i hang down the > phone. > i called another time for a network-printing problem and the same story. > > Another story here : we have received severall machines with linux > installed on it. But it was ReHat, although i'm in France. The seller is > German, and it's not also SuSe ... > > What about this ? > > In order to have a better visibility, Mandrake should be clearer : > - what support do i REALLY get if i buy a pack ? > - if the support for my product does not include what i'm asking, > propose a solution for it, i'm not convinced the club is the right > answer through what i've heard and seen. > - they need more contracts with indusries, it's where money is, research > machines could be also built with Mandrake's distribution ! > - finally, in order to add something : when you buy a pack, the > commercial apps should work (for the less) all through a serie > (8.0->8.2) and some directions should explain how to correct the > incompatibilities. > > To end, the economic scene is not very clear at the moment, and i think > some economic problems are not just Mdk specific, but in this perturb > context, they should correct already what is not working well, instead > of only asking for money. > > Stef
You are right, depict of new economies crash, and the necessary cleaning of "pushers companies" or "BANANAS COMPANIES" involved in soft . Mdk is not that kind of companies. But Mandrake should be clearer. For that purpose one prospect : to obtain proximity distribution, with physical commercials persons. It had been very hard to me to find some up-to-date distro box in Normandie ! Situation must be changed. Also management cleared of money obsession should help. But the economic law is only mostely for short time "feed-back". Y hope, they will do strait on as winers in business right now, should they read and understand us involved in cooker. Pascal - -- GPG Public Key available at http://gpg.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+JrAzkEN5g66hPygRAgAYAJ9UxRRIIURABV1K2MxAjLtYs/5BVQCfeXVl xxN7zdE8X92jQYUorpi1vaM= =YgIk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
