On 17/09/18 19:49, Robert Grant wrote:
> I have been using the Phenix-linked Coot to modify a MR solution calculated 
> from a rather poor data set, with high merging Rs and very low absolute 
> intensities.  I have observed what I consider bizarre behavior in the real 
> space refinement function.  My original observation was that very often RSR 
> would actually make the model look less like the density.  I generally use 
> the default matrix weight (60) or reduce it to 20.  When I let coot estimate 
> the weight it came up with 65446. 

That seems like a high number - and maybe coincidentally close to 65536.

>  With that value the RSR seems to behave normally. How is this weight 
> calculated?  What kind of data pathology would produce the results I am 
> seeing?   Is it related to the low intensity values in the data?
>

The "Estimate" button give a value that is proportional to the inverse
of the rmsd of the map (so, yes) - if you don't have an average sized
protein at average resolution with structure factors for the map more or
less on the absolute scale, then your initial estimate will be a bit off.

(after having selected a reasonably well-fitting part of the structure)
you can also use Extensions -> Settings -> Autoweight Refinement.

In my hands refinement is not very sensitive to the weight - as long as
you are within a factor of ~5, it seems OK.

Paul.

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