Hi,

I can also report that with 0.9-pre (the latest CCPEM binaries) I have 
occasional crashes when refining. I'm also working on RNA and the crashes seem 
to happen when I pull a lot in my structure and generate pull restraints. I 
cannot, however, deterministically reproduce the crashes. Below, I've pasted in 
a bit of output by coot just before the latest crash.

Regards,
Daniel


...
---------- debug:: in generate_molecule_and_refine()  calling 
restraints.make_restraints() with imol 0 0 0
INFO:: created 295 restraints

created 102 bond       restraints
created 175 angle      restraints
created 6 plane      restraints
created 12 chiral vol restraints
INFO:: making link polymer links
   Made 2 link bond restraints
   Made 8 link angle restraints
   Made 0 link plane restraints
   Made 0 link trans-peptide restraints
INFO:: making flanking restraints
   Made 2 flank bond restraints
   Made 8 flank angle restraints
   Made 0 flank plane restraints
   Made 0 flank trans-peptide restraints
   Made 0 CHO-SS-and-other bond restraints
   Made 0 CHO-SS-and-other angle restraints
   Made 0 CHO-SS-and-other plane restraints
   Made 0 CHO-SS-and-other trans-peptide restraints
------------------ timings: for make_link_restraints_ng(): polymers: 0 
flanking: 0 others: 0 milliseconds
------------------ timings: make_non_bonded_contact_restraints_ng(): energy 
types 0 milliseconds
------------------ timings: make_non_bonded_contact_restraints_ng(): 
find_the_contacts(): 1 start-stop-reserve: 0 start-stop-push: 0 milliseconds
------------------ timings: non-bonded contacts 1 dispatching threads: 0 
waiting: 10 adding NBCs to restraints 1
------------------ timings: for make_restraints_ng(): monomers: 0 links: 1 
flank: 0 raic: 0 nbc: 14 milliseconds
INFO:: added 0 helical restraints
INFO:: Timing for auto-helix 4 microseconds
------------------ timings: for paired_residues(): 0 0 4 0  0
   Made 0 base pairing Hydrogen bonds
--------------------- in add_extra_restraints() 7068 standard restraints
--------------------- in add_extra_restraints() adding 0 extra bond restraints
--------------------- in add_extra_restraints() adding 0 extra angle restraints
--------------------- in add_extra_restraints() par-plan adding 1 pp restraints
--------------------- in add_extra_restraints() target-position adding 0 
position restraints
------------------ timings: for make_restraints_ng(): stacking and pairing: 0 5 
0 0 ms
:::: make-restraints: analysis of bad geometry in input model
INFO:: Model: Bad Bond: [spec: model 1 "I"  198 "" " O3'" ""] to [spec: model 1 
"I"  199 "" " P  " ""]  nZ 4.065 delta 0.0813 target 1.6 sigma 0.02 distortion 
16.53
INFO:: Model: Bad Non-Bonded Contact: [spec: model 1 "I"  196 "" " O5'" ""] to 
[spec: model 1 "I"  195 "" " H3'" ""]  delta -0.8167 target 3.04 distortion 
14.46
INFO:: Model: Bad Non-Bonded Contact: [spec: model 1 "I"  196 "" " P  " ""] to 
[spec: model 1 "I"  195 "" " H3'" ""]  delta -0.9238 target 3.6 distortion 11.67
Refinement elapsed time: 0.902
Key 116 not found in (scheme) key bindings
Minimum found (iteration number 10) at -3411
    Final Estimated RMS Z Scores:
bonds:      0.3981
angles:     0.8262
torsions:   N/A
trans-peptide: N/A
planes:     0.4226
non-bonded: -0.1205
chiral vol: 0.4
rama plot:  N/A
start_pos:  N/A
TargetPos:  N/A
GemanMcCl:  N/A
DEBUG:: ---- free/delete/reset m_s and x
Minimum found (iteration number 14) at -185.7
    Final Estimated RMS Z Scores:
bonds:      0.4022
angles:     0.9285
torsions:   N/A
trans-peptide: N/A
planes:     3.187
non-bonded: -0.0155
chiral vol: 0.4095
rama plot:  N/A
start_pos:  N/A
target_pos: 2299 (non-sqrt)
GemanMcCl:  N/A
DEBUG:: ---- free/delete/reset m_s and x
Minimum found (iteration number 10) at -3224
    Final Estimated RMS Z Scores:
bonds:      0.3977
angles:     0.8807
torsions:   N/A
trans-peptide: N/A
planes:     0.5922
non-bonded: -0.102
chiral vol: 0.4212
rama plot:  N/A
start_pos:  N/A
TargetPos:  N/A
GemanMcCl:  N/A
DEBUG:: ---- free/delete/reset m_s and x
/Users/larsson/software/ccpem-20191029/bin/coot: line 329: 51480 Segmentation 
fault: 11  $coot_bin "$@"


On 2019-11-07, at 11:02, Victor Tobiasson 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I am currently using Coot 0.9-pre through ccpem (git version 1.3.0-84-g605be75) 
with CCP4-7.0.077. I am running into a consistent issue with user defined 
restraints together with refine_zone() but not with 
sphere_refine_regularize_generic(). Whenever I add distance restraints, either 
manually or through ideal RNA A form restraints coot crashes immediately upon 
setting up restraints through refine_zone(). Coot gives the following terminal 
output after immediately after crashing:

(1) " C1'"/1/chainid="CA"/381/U,  occ: 1 with B-factor: 13.85 element: " C" at 
(343.3,337,314.1) : 0.1057
INFO applying #<procedure #f (atom-specs)> on ((1 1 "CA" 381 "" " C1'" ""))
Backtrace:
In unknown file:
   ?: 0* [#<procedure #f (atom-specs)> (({1} {1} "CA" 381 "" " C1'" ""))]
In 
/home/victor/.local/ccpem-20190901/share/coot/scheme/user-define-restraints.scm:
 148: {1}* (let ((spec-1 #) (spec-2 #)) (let (# #) (if # #) (if # #) ...))
 149: 2* [list-ref (({1} {1} "CA" 381 "" " C1'" "")) {1}]

/home/victor/.local/ccpem-20190901/share/coot/scheme/user-define-restraints.scm:149:39:
 In procedure list-ref in expression (list-ref atom-specs 1):
/home/victor/.local/ccpem-20190901/share/coot/scheme/user-define-restraints.scm:149:39:
 Argument 2 out of range: 1

The error is consistent but does not trigger when using 
sphere_refine_regularize_generic() where everything works as ahould be. This 
problem has been with me for a while now has existed throughout several 
versions and installs. This is the error for Coot version 0.8.9.2-pre nightly 
build 7766:

(1) " N1 "/1/chainid="CA"/584/G,  occ: 1 with B-factor: 16.32 element: " N" at 
(352.5,322.5,325) : 0.3861
INFO applying #<procedure #f (atom-specs)> on ((1 1 "CA" 584 "" " N1 " ""))
Backtrace:
In unknown file:
   ?: 0* [#<procedure #f (atom-specs)> (({1} {1} "CA" 584 "" " N1 " ""))]
In /home/victor/.local/coot_231019/share/coot/scheme/user-define-restraints.scm:
 148: {1}* (let ((spec-1 #) (spec-2 #)) (let (# #) (if # #) (if # #) ...))
 149: 2* [list-ref (({1} {1} "CA" 584 "" " N1 " "")) {1}]

/home/victor/.local/coot_231019/share/coot/scheme/user-define-restraints.scm:149:39:
 In procedure list-ref in expression (list-ref atom-specs 1):
/home/victor/.local/coot_231019/share/coot/scheme/user-define-restraints.scm:149:39:
 Argument 2 out of range: 1
ObjectCache: Leaked 0001 refs to <P 1 Nuvw = ( 600, 600, 600)>
ObjectCache: Leaked 0001 refs to <P 1>
guile: error while loading shared libraries: libguile.so.17: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory
failed to launch the crash catcher

Any ideas? I can of course live without the extra restraints but they make low 
resolution RNA modelling so much easier.

Best,
Victor Tobiasson


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