Hi Paul (and everyone I guess),


To elaborate on a few things:

 *Actually 0.17 was quite generous*
I think it is a good cutoff. Any higher and you can get away with many
things. I am probably missing something major though since I have not
modelled X-ray data before. I'll see if someone in my lab can point out
something obvious.

*Set the map in the refmac gui.*
If you click the "Run Refmac" button and preset the map from
the tutorial saves a few clicks during the run as it remembers.

*200! wow - interesting.*
I found that it is easier to place everything faster with higher weight. It
becomes much more snappy.

*auto-fit rotamer does that for you*
Yeah, I know the auto-fit. I have r bound to a small python function that
gets the active residue and executes set_residue_to_rotamer_number with a
counter going through the rotamers. Second rotamer would be r,r
without need for accepting.

* CYS placement routinely interchanges the main chain and the side chain
positions*
Usually does that for me as well, needs a quick flick.

*It's OK to know that the ligand is at the end of residue A 41.*
This is just the fastest way I found to go to the rough center of the
density. I guess Ctrl+G and quickly typing A/41 would be quite fast but
then you would also have to translate to the center of the density.



Key binds, further comments;

"e"
My e key is bound to accept_moving_atoms() which I think is a bit of a
hack, it's very fast though and can interrupt most refinements immediately.

"shift+1,2,3"
The usage is such that shift+1 calls user_defined_click which then gets the
user input, calculates the desired range and calls refine_zone.

z,Z and x,X
It the latest addition for the speedrun to avoid manual translations with
the mouse and lengthy goto procedures. I wanted to extend the script called
when pressing space but I couldn't figure it out on github. I found the
sinusoidal acceleration code in graphics-info.h but could never find what
calls those types of functions in the terms of the spacebar function! So I
hacked it by just calling set_go_to_atom_chain_residue_atom_name with
parameters from active_residue

"a"
"y" is so far though! I also have
set_add_terminal_residue_do_post_refine(1) and
set_add_terminal_residue_immediate_addition(0) to get it a bit more smooth
to use. you can hammer a,e,a,e,a,e to place 3 residues quickly.
Iterating do_add_terminal_residue and accept_moving_atoms is a bit unstable
though so i just manually perform the operation three times. Here it also
helps with backups off, although for small molecules the delay is barely
noticeable.

"r"
as mentioned r calls set_residue_to_rotamer_number with a predefined cyclic
counter allowing you to cycle without accepting.

"q"
similar to shift+1,2,3 q calls user_deinfed_click to get the start of the
range. Then you get a generic_single_entry item where you paste the
sequence. Mutation is done by mutate_residue_range.

"t"
I use placeLIG() here after a generic_single_entry popup. the full
operation becomes; t, type 3GP, hit enter, R, quick mouse movement, e.



Best,

Victor

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 5:03 PM Paul Emsley <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> On 04/01/2021 10:42, Victor Tobiasson wrote:
>
>
>
> Time to join the party, a bit late perhaps but christmas got in the way!
>
>
> I will mention the speedrun in my presentation tomorrow and hopefully that
> may spark a bit of interest. So there are a few days left. I haven't set a
> date, maybe 14 Jan.
>
>
> First of all, great challenge Paul! It was really fun to try to push my
> time and I finally got around to implement some scripting which I put off
> as well.
>
>
> My first attempt without prior information (except the extension sequence
> and the fact there are three ligands) ~10 min. I have little to no
> experience with modelling X-ray data though so it took a long time to get
> subsequent runs to regularly meet the validation metrics. Below is a short
> outline of my experience so far.
>
> Strategy and approach:
>
> I am using coot via the ccpem 1.5.0 stable release for comparison. I don't
> use any more advanced scripts but have several key bindings set for
> minimising clicks and mouse micro.
>
> :-) quite necessary.
>
>
> The general strategy revolves around simply performing the minimal amount
> of edits and inputs required to meet the requirements as fast as possible.
> I try not to move the center of rotation or the view manually with the
> mouse, at some places it's required or faster to do so but I try to avoid
> it. The general approach of things to fix are as follows.
>
> To Do: Fix the rotamers Gln/32, Asp/33 and Phe/89.
>
> That's interesting. Actually 0.17 was quite generous and one need not, in
> fact, fix up 32, 33 or 25 to get down there.
>
>
>
> Add alternative conformations to Asp/25. Delete the stub and add Cys/72
> with alternative conformations.
>
> 72 is deliberately annoying because it is unlike a simple mutation. Ctrl-D
> for delete residue is a help here. And then Add Terminal residue and fast
> mutate.
>
>
> Remodel Arg/40 including backbone and rotamers.
>
> Nice, but not needed.
>
>
> Add terminal residues QTC. Add OXT oxygents to both chains. Add two SO4
> ligands and the 3GP. Add waters with and RMSD of 1.3 with default
> distances.
>
> 1) Preparations: Open the 'Other modelling tools' panel and load and
> place the "accept refinement" popup far away from the main gui, it gets in
> the way.
>
> Yes, it does. I don't know why it sometimes resets to centred (I dug
> around the code for a day and gave up).
>
>
> Set the map in the refmac gui.
>
> Interesting comment. I wonder what you mean by it. The refmac gui that I
> use allows me to set the model and the data mtz file.
>
> And turn on all restraints in the R/RC menu, set the weight to 200.
>
> 200! wow - interesting.
>
>
>
> 2) Manual edits: Run the script and immediately hit space to center on
> A/1. Navigate down the chain to Asp/25 and add an altconf in the most
> common rotamer. Further translate until Gln/32-Asp/33, refine and place the
> side chains manually as they dont match the rotamers very well (correct map
> weight is key here). Accept and continue to Arg/40, refine and flip the
> carbonyl. With the right flick the rotamers will fix themselves. Got to
> Cys/72, delete it and add a new residue as well as the alternative
> conformation. Go to Phe/89 and go for the third rotamer.
>
> auto-fit rotamer does that for you - I didn't know the rotamer number.
>
> Translate to the end of the chain and add 3 terminals resudies, serially
> mutate to QTC.
>
> That's what I do.
>
> Navigate to the end and change the cys rotamer.
>
> For me, the CYS placement routinely interchanges the main chain and the
> side chain positions. Interesting that you don't find the same (I presume).
>
>
> Add OXT for chain A and then B though the other modelling tools panel (you
> could script adding OXT to all but felt that was cheating).
>
> If I am allowed to arbitrate on what is cheating, then a function for "Add
> OXT to residue 96" is cheating, but "Add OXT to current residue" is not,
> "Add OXT to the same residue number as the current residue number for all
> chains that have the same sequence" is not cheating either (it is esoteric,
> no doubt and not what I did). The different being functions that are
> tailored to this structure, as opposed to those that might be useful for
> other structures.
>
> Also, I used "NCS Other chain" to get to the B96 (more on that later).
>
>
>
> 3) Heteroatoms: Open the validate panel and find unmodeled blobs.
>
>
> It's OK to know that the ligand is at the end of residue A 41.
>
>
> Go to the first blob and place the 3GP (here I orient the density before
> placing as to get the default ligand orientation correct for the purine).
>
>
> The orientation of the added ligand, if you add it with "Get Monomer,"
> doesn't depend on the orientation of the view.
>
>
> Quickly refine and fit the phosphate manually.
>
> A speed up here (I think) is, before activating refinement, to select an
> orientation of the ligand, where both the phosphate and the base are
> misplaced, but, with refinement, they both fall into their respective
> densities. I used Ctrl-Arrow keys and Shift Ctrl Arrow keys to do that.
>
> For me, reorienting the ribose was a major part of fitting the ligand.
> Interesting that you don't mention it.
>
>
>   Go to the second blob and place SO4. Manually shift the view
>
>
> "Manually shift the view" I wonder what you mean by that. You can use "O"
> ("Other NCS chain") to jump to the same position in the B-chain, add your
> SO4 there and jump back (again, with "O" (because there are 2 chains)).
>
>
> to center on the second SO4 and place it. Click "Find waters..." and
> change the threshold to 1.3 (most consistent R/Rfree for me without manual
> intervention) and then run.
>
> 4) Cleanup: Merge all the ligand chains,
>
>
> For best speed, I merge before running Refmac.
>
>
> sphere refine the entire molecule for ~1-2 seconds and run refmac.
> (Optional: curse refmac and or yourself for mistakes and time lost)
>
>
> One thing that this challenge made clear to me is how annoying it was to
> have the GUI  freeze while running refmac. I will fix that.
>
>
>
> The binds and custom settings I use are the following (roughly following
> most to least important for this challenge):
>
> e = accept regularization
>
> Return does this (or not?)
>
> !/@/# (SHIFT+1 2 or 3 depending on keyboard layout this changes) = real
> space refine zone 3, 7 or 21 residues.
>
> This is a great idea. It's something like the fast selection expansion in
> Chimera (but tailored for Coot).
>
> z and x = shift 5 residues along the chain (space * 5)
>
> Ctrl-u 5 M-x space - haha! OK, nice one.
>
> Z and X = shift to the beginning or end of the chain
>
> That is generally useful, in the speed run we can just jump to the
> problems.
>
> a = add terminal residue
>
> We have "y" in the standard key-bindings set - and that is expanded upon
> in the Elaborated Add Terminal Residue in Curlew
>
> r = cycle through rotamers
>
> OK, is that in "intermediate atoms mode" or standard representation? (I
> had not thought of the latter).
>
> R = sphere refine (specifically for this challenge I set the radius to 200
> to get everything)
>
> We have Chain Refine in Curlew (Shift E). There is no key binding for "All
> atom refine" - but there is a menu item.
>
> t = place ligand from library
>
> OK, that would be a  speed-up. I use Alt F and then down-arrow 6  times.
>
> q = mutate chain to sequence
>
> And that too? Not sure how you use it - because you'd have to have the
> sequence somewhere - or do you mean a residue range?
>
>
>
>
> With this setup and my preliminary route I have tried perhaps a dozen
> times seriously and gotten varying results. Initially times would hover
> around 3 minutes and then steadily decrease as I made fewer mistakes. So
> far my fastest times are;
>
> *Time (fastest accepted): 2 min 29 sec (R/Rfree: 0.170/0.1995) *
> *Time (fastest overall): 1 min 42 sec (R/Rfree: 0.169/0.203)*
>
> Let's take the fastest accepted, because the passed the R-free test too.
>
>
> The times are still very unrefined and I am not really happy with 2.29.
>
> Reviewing your comments, I think that you can go faster.
>
>
> The big challenge is definitely pushing the Rfree low enough with the
> rough edits I make.
>
> Yes, my fastest time is when I did the mods and added the ligand and only
> ran Refmac right at the end.
>
>
> I lose most runs around the 1.50 mark due to Rfree, I never go for second
> refinements as it would be too slow
>
> Ah, I see. Makes sense. Similar to my strategy.
>
>
> and It can definitely be done in one round.
>
> I agree.
>
>
> I usually lose time when fixing the rotamers for Gln-Asp/32-33,
>
> Now you know that you don't need to. You can get a quicker drop in the
> R-factors by adding more waters. Try 1.2 or 1.1.
>
>
> they are super tricky to do fast and precise.
>
>
> I think A32 is ligand-related partial occupancy (FWIW).
>
>
> Also the orienting of the 3GP can be a bother sometimes.
>
> Yes. With the old version of the dictionary, it popped right in, but the
> new one, at least in my hands, needs a ribose twist and this is compounded
> by the dictionary not allowing JED-Flip on the glycosidic bond (which I
> think might be/is an error, but I have not yet discussed it with my
> colleagues).
>
>
> Overall quick clean movements seems to be the way forward. I
> believe times around 55 seconds are definitely possible for someone fast
> with good mouse movement and macros. I still hesitate several times and
> have to think about what to do next. I would be interested to see if any of
> you routinely fix some significant mistake I miss!
>
>
> Hahaha! Yes, I hesitate too "OK, that's done, now what?" I've tried to
> memorize 89,41,72,93,63.
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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