Not quite what I mean.

I meant that, for Updating Maps to work, Coot (just) needs Fobs, SIGFobs and Rfree to be in the mtz file - you don't need to use them for refinement outside of Coot.


Paul.


On 20/05/2024 23:59, Murpholino Peligro wrote:


--

So... I should rerefine using IMEAN,SIGIMEAN, instead of I(+),SIGI(+), I(-),SIGI(-).

Thanks Paul

El lun, 20 may 2024 a la(s) 4:56 p.m., Paul Emsley (pems...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk) escribió:


    The "Updating Map" feature in Coot expects (plain old) Fobs,
    SIGFobs, Rfree columns - you have lots of exciting columns in your
    mtz file but not those ones.

    It would be cool if Coot could handle anomalous intensities, but
    at the moment it doesn't. I'll add it to the list.

    Regards,

    Paul


    On 20/05/2024 22:50, Murpholino Peligro wrote:


    --

    Maybe something is funny with my mtz?
    Dataset was processed with autoproc, then phaser and refinement
    in phenix...(1.21 I think)



    El lun, 20 may 2024 a la(s) 2:09 p.m., Eta Isiorho
    (eisio...@gc.cuny.edu) escribió:

        In old coot ™,  I leave the defaults alone when opening the
        2Fo-Fc and only check the box ‘assign labels…’

        For the difference map, I change the amplitudes to ‘FOFC’ and
        the phases to ‘PHFOFCWT’ and check the ‘assign labels’ box
        again along with the ‘is a difference map’

        This is the way I do it for my phenix outputs (the refmac
        output is slightly different).

        The only time I see greyed out blocks for SIG Fobs and
        others, is when I forget to press the ‘assign labels’ button
        for each map.

        ***

        Eta A. Isiorho, Ph.D.
        Research Assistant Professor
        Macromolecular Crystallization Facility Manager
        CUNY Advanced Science Research Center
        85 Saint Nicholas Terrace, 3.352B/3.134
        New York, NY 10031
        eisio...@gc.cuny.edu <mailto:eisio...@gc.cuny.edu>

        *From: *Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic
        Software <COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> on behalf of Murpholino
        Peligro <murpholi...@gmail.com>
        *Date: *Monday, May 20, 2024 at 3:30 PM
        *To: *COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
        *Subject: *Re: Updating maps

        Dear Lucrezia and EE.

        When I open the mtz as suggested I get:


        Amplitudes: ANOM_1, 2FOFCWT, 2FOFCWT_no_fill, FOFCWT and ANOM_2

        Phases: PHIF-model(+), PHIF-model(-), PHANOM_1, PH2FOFCWT,
        PH2FOFCWT_no_fill, PHFOFCWT and PANOM_2*

        ...
        Assign Labels for Structure Factor Calculation?

        in new-coot: I cannot select anything (Fobs contains ANOM_1,
        Sig Fobs does not have a thing, and R-free seems to have
        R-free-flags(+))

        in old-coot:  I can select stuff but I do not have F/SIGF,
        only have the labels as above (ANOM_1, 2FOFCWT,
        2FOFCWT_no_fill, FOFCWT and ANOM_2), SIG Fobs is greyed out
        and R-free contains R-free-flags(+))

        * It really says 'PANOM_2'

        phenix.mtz.dump says
        phenix.mtz.dump b3x11_refine_006.mtz
        Processing: b3x11_refine_006.mtz
        Title:
        /home/murphy/doc/phenix.refine/b3x11/truncate-unique.mtz:I(+),SIGI(+),
        Space group symbol from file: P43212
        Space group number from file: 96
        Space group from matrices: P 43 21 2 (No. 96)
        Point group symbol from file: 422
        Number of crystals: 2
        Number of Miller indices: 54730
        Resolution range: 55.5938 1.04901
        History:
        Crystal 1:
          Name: HKL_base
          Project: HKL_base
          Id: 0
          Unit cell: (78.6215, 78.6215, 37.0045, 90, 90, 90)
          Number of datasets: 1
          Dataset 1:
            Name: HKL_base
            Id: 0
            Wavelength: 0
            Number of columns: 0
        Crystal 2:
          Name: crystal
          Project: project
          Id: 2
          Unit cell: (78.6215, 78.6215, 37.0045, 90, 90, 90)
          Number of datasets: 4
          Dataset 1:
            Name: Original-experimental-data-mapped-to-asu
            Id: 1
            Wavelength: 0.979
            Number of columns: 9
            label           #valid  %valid    min     max type
            H                54730 100.00%   0.00   74.00 H: index h,k,l
            K                54730 100.00%   0.00   52.00 H: index h,k,l
            L                54730 100.00%   0.00   35.00 H: index h,k,l
            I-obs(+)         47918  87.55%  -8.88 9103.94 K: I(+) or I(-)
            SIGI-obs(+)      47918  87.55%   0.19 1895.54 M: standard
        deviation
            I-obs(-)         44308  80.96% -13.09 7510.68 K: I(+) or I(-)
            SIGI-obs(-)      44308  80.96%   0.23 1895.11 M: standard
        deviation
            R-free-flags(+)  54730 100.00%   0.00   19.00 I: integer
            R-free-flags(-)  49051  89.62%   0.00   19.00 I: integer
          Dataset 2:
            Name: Experimental-data-used-in-refinement
            Id: 2
            Wavelength: 0.979
            Number of columns: 4
            label                #valid %valid  min    max type
            F-obs-filtered(+)     47910 87.54% 1.97 888.48 G: F(+) or
        F(-)
            SIGF-obs-filtered(+)  47910 87.54% 0.58 132.14 L:
        standard deviation
            F-obs-filtered(-)     44300 80.94% 3.54 793.53 G: F(+) or
        F(-)
            SIGF-obs-filtered(-)  44300 80.94% 1.30 140.15 L:
        standard deviation
          Dataset 3:
            Name:
        Model-structure-factors-(all-solvent-and-scales-included)
            Id: 3
            Wavelength: 0.979
            Number of columns: 4
            label         #valid %valid   min     max type
            F-model(+)     47910 87.54%  0.01 1005.82 G: F(+) or F(-)
            PHIF-model(+)  47910 87.54% -180.00  180.00 P: phase
        angle in degrees
            F-model(-)     44300 80.94%  0.09 1005.82 G: F(+) or F(-)
            PHIF-model(-)  44300 80.94% -179.98  179.98 P: phase
        angle in degrees
          Dataset 4:
            Name: Fourier-map-coefficients
            Id: 4
            Wavelength: 0.979
            Number of columns: 10
            label             #valid %valid     min     max type
            ANOM_1             42215 77.13%    0.00  103.95 F: amplitude
            PHANOM_1           42215 77.13% -179.98  180.00 P: phase
        angle in degrees
            2FOFCWT            54718 99.98%    0.00 1559.94 F: amplitude
            PH2FOFCWT          54718 99.98% -180.00  180.00 P: phase
        angle in degrees
            2FOFCWT_no_fill    49995 91.35%    0.00 1139.40 F: amplitude
            PH2FOFCWT_no_fill  49995 91.35% -180.00  180.00 P: phase
        angle in degrees
            FOFCWT             49995 91.35%    0.00  845.25 F: amplitude
            PHFOFCWT           49995 91.35% -180.00  180.00 P: phase
        angle in degrees
            ANOM_2             42215 77.13%    0.00  103.95 F: amplitude
            PANOM_2            42215 77.13% -179.98  180.00 P: phase
        angle in degrees

        Thanks for your help

        El lun, 20 may 2024 a la(s) 8:58 a.m., Lucrezia Catapano
        (lucrezia.catap...@kcl.ac.uk) escribió:

            Dear Murpholino,

            The problem is the auto open MTZ. In your case the —auto
            option does not assign F and SIGF. You need to use "open
            mtz" and assign them using the option menu and the Rfree
            as well.



            Regards,
            Lucrezia

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            How to Enable "Updating Maps"???

            (Like the 2023tutorial
            
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://pemsley.github.io/coot/blog/2023/05/05/coot-tutorial-in-2023.html__;!!GekbXoL5ynDpFgM!V5kQFNwo5Y8BP4zfS4-sy8wovcH3vzS_W6yG1fJi3o2hwqlBTvmAdWbz3phLJbZApjtwj4enNWkLYXslsvSzXYI$>)

            I tried enabling the option "updating maps" using the MTZ
            output from a |phenix.refine|job with the following commands:

            |cd Refine_6/|

            |coot b3x11_refine_006.pdb --auto b3x11_refine_006.mtz|

            After that, I went to |Calculate -> Updating Maps|,
            selected |Auto Update|, and clicked OK. The labels were
            set to |2FOFCWT PH2FOFCWT, FOFCWT PHFOFCWT|. However,
            nothing happened—I could add or delete atoms, but there
            was no change in the electron density maps.

            It works perfectly when usingthe tutorial"data". Why? Do
            I need something else?

            PS. Trying in 'old-coot', but it would be good to know
            how to do this in 'new-coot'.

            Thanks again!



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