Le mando esto a lo largo del d�a. Es posible que nos mande a tomar por culo, pero tambi�n puede que cuele.
Natxo, �ha dado Santi se�ales de vida? > -----Mensaje original----- > De: xabier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enviado el: viernes, 20 de mayo de 2005 4:47 > Para: Jose A. del Moral > CC: natxo rodriguez; copyleft-eu > Asunto: wikipedio pid�n > > > A mi me parece una pasada que el tio cobre ese past�n. la verdad. Pero > tenemos que darnos prisa, es una decisi�n horrible de tomar ;( > > Yo simplemente le diria la verdad, quienes somos, qu� pasta tenemos y > qu� hacemos. Osea que somos un grupo que empieza a formarse para > impulsar el copyleft, que aqu� *nadie* gana un duro, que tenemos una > instituci�n (arteleku) que cuenta con un presupuesto de x.000euros para > todas las jornadas. Y que �l vea lo que nos quiere cobrar, que nos lo > quita a nosotros como si se lo quita a wikipedia. Que no somos ni una > uni, ni una empresa, ni un museo, ni el WSIS y que si s�lo va a mover el > culo por dar una charla con la que pueda vivir cualquiera de nosotros > durante dos meses sin dar un palo al agua, que nos quite el dinero, que > sacaremos 2000 copias menos de la gu�a copyleft. Si dice que nos cobra > m�s de 2000 euros ... yo casi que le dir�a que no. Pero s�lo si tenemos > una alternativa casera pero fuerte, por ejemplo una conferencia > compartida entre amador (filosof�a procom�n y �mbito editorial), > barahona (�mbito acad�mico y soft-libre) y defunkid (m�sica y cultura), > por decir algo. > > Lo que hay que asegurarse es que el tio va a hablar PERO QUE MUY BIEN, > que se lo va a currar un huevo (historia, viabilidad, filosof�a, modelos > econ�micos del copyleft, �tica...) en la presentaci�n. > > Yo personalmente le mandar�a lo siguiente: > > ----------------- > Dear Wales, > > We have being considering the issue for quite a long time now and the > decision is not easy to make for us. Your fees are between a half and a > fourth of the whole budget we have to spend on the whole workshop. None > of us will be paid for any of the work done on organizing the workshop > and our salaries per month are less than a half of your fees for this > talk. But two are our main goals: > > * TO SUPPORT LOCAL COPYLEFT COMMUNITIES AND NETWORKS: New publishing > companies and initiatives that have decided to publish their book with > copyleft, hacklabs and linux user groups, artists, musicians that have > to fight SGAE (spanish RIAA) to license their work under copyleft > licenses, video creators and local community TVs, artists, etc. Sinze we > won't be able to pay anything to any of then we will like to be able, at > least, to pay them accommodation (in a hostal) and trip. The idea is to > meet all together at different workshops to create a copyleft handbook > for all the different fields of intelectual production. We would like to > publish and distribute the handbook with the money of the workshops too. > > * TO REACH THE BIGGEST AUDIENCE WE CAN: That means reaching the > mainstream media and local authorities. For this we need somebody with > ayour profile, capable to speak to a broad audience, to explain copyleft > basics, to transmit the success of cultural, academic and institutional > models of it, to attrack local media and respect from institutional > authorities. > > We believe you are the perfect man for this task, the right speaker to > achieve this second goal. We could pay your fees. That just means that > some people participating on the workshops and the handbook will have to > pay for their own accommodation and trip or that we will publish 650 > copies of the handbook rather than 2000. As you see the problem is not > that we haven't got enough money to pay your fees, it is a question of > how to spend the total budget we have to spread and empower local > copyleft communities. We have no other alternatives to find anybody else > with your profile (all the other ones we have thought off could not > come). We need to know exactly how much your fees will be and where you > will be coming from so that we can fit all the rest of our expenses. > > all the best, > > > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > -- > construir subjetividad a trav�s de la t�cnica > para dejar de estar sujetos a la tecnolog�a > > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > | X-Evian.org :: Debian GNU/Linux Sid :: kernel 2.4.26 | > |-----------------------------------------------------------| > | xabier barandiaran http://www.sindominio.net/~xabier | > | Metabolik BioHacklab http://metabolik.hacklabs.org | > | Autonomia Situada http://sindominio.net/autonomiasituada | > +-----------------------------------------------------------+ > wget -O - http://sindominio.net/~xabier/xabier.gpg.asc | gpg --import >
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