no s�.
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Jose A. del Moral wrote:
Le mando esto a lo largo del d�a. Es posible que nos mande a tomar por culo, pero tambi�n puede que cuele.
Natxo, �ha dado Santi se�ales de vida?
-----Mensaje original----- De: xabier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: viernes, 20 de mayo de 2005 4:47 Para: Jose A. del Moral CC: natxo rodriguez; copyleft-eu Asunto: wikipedio pid�n
A mi me parece una pasada que el tio cobre ese past�n. la verdad. Pero tenemos que darnos prisa, es una decisi�n horrible de tomar ;(
Yo simplemente le diria la verdad, quienes somos, qu� pasta tenemos y qu� hacemos. Osea que somos un grupo que empieza a formarse para impulsar el copyleft, que aqu� *nadie* gana un duro, que tenemos una instituci�n (arteleku) que cuenta con un presupuesto de x.000euros para todas las jornadas. Y que �l vea lo que nos quiere cobrar, que nos lo quita a nosotros como si se lo quita a wikipedia. Que no somos ni una uni, ni una empresa, ni un museo, ni el WSIS y que si s�lo va a mover el culo por dar una charla con la que pueda vivir cualquiera de nosotros durante dos meses sin dar un palo al agua, que nos quite el dinero, que sacaremos 2000 copias menos de la gu�a copyleft. Si dice que nos cobra m�s de 2000 euros ... yo casi que le dir�a que no. Pero s�lo si tenemos una alternativa casera pero fuerte, por ejemplo una conferencia compartida entre amador (filosof�a procom�n y �mbito editorial), barahona (�mbito acad�mico y soft-libre) y defunkid (m�sica y cultura), por decir algo.
Lo que hay que asegurarse es que el tio va a hablar PERO QUE MUY BIEN, que se lo va a currar un huevo (historia, viabilidad, filosof�a, modelos econ�micos del copyleft, �tica...) en la presentaci�n.
Yo personalmente le mandar�a lo siguiente:
----------------- Dear Wales,
We have being considering the issue for quite a long time now and the decision is not easy to make for us. Your fees are between a half and a fourth of the whole budget we have to spend on the whole workshop. None of us will be paid for any of the work done on organizing the workshop and our salaries per month are less than a half of your fees for this talk. But two are our main goals:
* TO SUPPORT LOCAL COPYLEFT COMMUNITIES AND NETWORKS: New publishing companies and initiatives that have decided to publish their book with copyleft, hacklabs and linux user groups, artists, musicians that have to fight SGAE (spanish RIAA) to license their work under copyleft licenses, video creators and local community TVs, artists, etc. Sinze we won't be able to pay anything to any of then we will like to be able, at least, to pay them accommodation (in a hostal) and trip. The idea is to meet all together at different workshops to create a copyleft handbook for all the different fields of intelectual production. We would like to publish and distribute the handbook with the money of the workshops too.
* TO REACH THE BIGGEST AUDIENCE WE CAN: That means reaching the mainstream media and local authorities. For this we need somebody with ayour profile, capable to speak to a broad audience, to explain copyleft basics, to transmit the success of cultural, academic and institutional models of it, to attrack local media and respect from institutional authorities.
We believe you are the perfect man for this task, the right speaker to achieve this second goal. We could pay your fees. That just means that some people participating on the workshops and the handbook will have to pay for their own accommodation and trip or that we will publish 650 copies of the handbook rather than 2000. As you see the problem is not that we haven't got enough money to pay your fees, it is a question of how to spend the total budget we have to spread and empower local copyleft communities. We have no other alternatives to find anybody else with your profile (all the other ones we have thought off could not come). We need to know exactly how much your fees will be and where you will be coming from so that we can fit all the rest of our expenses.
all the best,
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