Hi Marc, On 19.01.2015 01:49, Marc Jones wrote: > On Sat Jan 17 2015 at 8:12:20 PM Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: >> Hi Marc, >> >> thanks for writing this up. >> >> On 16.01.2015 19:15, Marc Jones wrote: >>> A coreboot code of conduct has been posted on the wiki. >>> - http://www.coreboot.org/Code_of_Conduct >>> >>> I have written a blog post about why we have a code of conduct. >>> - http://blogs.coreboot.org/blog/2015/01/16/coreboot-code-of-conduct/ >>> >>> Feel free to give feedback on the policy and how else we can contribute >>> to a welcoming and collaborative environment. >> Given that the Code of Conduct has been announced publicly in a blog >> post, the feedback is probably expected to be public as well. Apologies >> if that is not the case. >> >> The current wording suggests that anyone can be expelled from the >> community permanently without warning for either perceived harrassment >> or for strongly enforcing the code of conduct. This is probably not the >> intention. > Open discussion is acceptable.
Adding that sentence to the CoC would be helpful. >> Furthermore, the second paragraph of "Unacceptable Behaviour" is either >> redundant or woefully incomplete. If you really think the word >> "harassing" from the first paragraph needs to be defined, you should >> define the other words from the first paragraph "intimidating", >> "abusive", "discriminatory", "derogatory" and "demeaning" as well. I >> suggest deleting that second paragraph. > I'll disagree. Harassment is the most common problem in online communities Real citation needed, not just some sentiment. For example, quite a few feminist blogs point to intimidating and derogatory speech/actions as the primary hurdles against female participation in online communities. > and warrants the paragraph about those unacceptable behaviors. If harassment is the most common problem, that definitely warrants listing harassment first (which is not the case in the current CoC). > Defining > every other term would not make this policy any more robust. Is the term "harassment" so unclear it warrants explanation? I thought there was universal agreement that harassment is bad, but having to define harassment implies that there is no such universal agreement (you can't agree on something undefined). I argue that creating our own homegrown definition of harassment (or copying someone else's homegrown definition) makes this policy less robust because this current homegrown definition is woefully incomplete. >> Please define "community organizers". Did you mean "arbitration team"? >> Or is it the community members present at an event? > It isn't not meant to be specific to an arbitration team. These members may > not be present in all cases and organizers of events and online communities > should uphold the good standards of the community. Thanks for clarifying. The CoC would benefit from adding this clarification. >> How can we deploy this against people not part of our community? If >> they're not part of the community in the first place, it is by >> definition impossible to exclude them from our community and the Code of >> Conduct in its current form does not apply. If, on the other hand, we >> define everyone on the mailing list, everyone on IRC and everyone >> visiting our booths at various conferences and trade shows as being part >> of our community, we're going to overshoot the mark. I don't want to be >> guilty by association just because some troll on IRC joins all channels, >> spews some random offensive crap and disappears. > It applies to everyone that participates in coreboot communication, online, > at an event or in a conference booth. People that are not up to this > standard of behavior are not welcome in our community and they should be > asked to leave. If a troll joins and spams the channel, clearly ask them to > leave. If they don't leave report them to a channel or IRCOP. If there is a > question of the policy or of a behavior, please contact an organizer or > someone from the arbitration team. Great, thanks for the explanation and guideline! Regards, Carl-Daniel -- coreboot mailing list: [email protected] http://www.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
