-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 05/01/2018 01:30 PM, Julius Werner wrote: >> All the ARM64 boards I've seen that are desktop or higher class ship >> with AMI UEFI and AMI BMC. Plus they contain their own magic blobs, >> some akin to the ME. ARM64 is not a panacea either; OpenPOWER's >> actually shipping open POWER9 systems right now with source code. Why >> not go down that route? > > Can we please stop bashing each other about whose architecture is better? I > haven't seen any POWER9 systems of laptop or lower class shipping either. > What makes one more important than the other? > > We actually have several ARM64 boards in the repository right now where you > can walk into a store and buy them for a couple hundred bucks, and install > fully open-source blob-free firmware on them straight from the coreboot > master branch. It would be great if the POWER port of coreboot can > eventually see this level of success as well. That's just more choice for > the users. > > I have also personally spent a bunch of time arguing with Arm SoC vendors > about open-sourcing their code and I think we can be pretty happy with what > we've achieved so far, even though we can always try to do even better. The > reason those ARM64 servers are heading the x86 route of running proprietary > UEFI (and, worst of all, implementing ACPI) is because no corporation with > sufficient influence is trying to guide them in the other direction. If it > wasn't for Chromebooks, the Arm laptop market might be going the same way. > That is also corporate influence.
Don't mean to bash anyone. I get frustrated at times with the messages on here from people that want something they can't have (basically, cheap, powerful, and open -- pick two), and just wanted to say that there are open systems *right now*, no vendor coaxing needed. Our recommendation for some time has been a mix -- arm64 client devices (laptops, tablets, etc.) and ppc64el servers. With those two, you can replace x86 entirely if you don't have proprietary software in your environment. - -- Timothy Pearson Raptor Engineering +1 (415) 727-8645 (direct line) +1 (512) 690-0200 (switchboard) https://www.raptorengineering.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJa6LWJAAoJEK+E3vEXDOFbcecIAKsBbAJXAoKukrjhQhrkuP7z ktNyJVlifl2T04DZ/TfihdnMfA9tRu+iNnnYEGbmdVpRxx2mVtUebImc5Sl/GKoJ oQmnRFF0MdXJUMvMSTtXUn9v6Ylq8jj9YIpi3hu1gQrRB7EtCNlcnZJFwnMaaTzV Xov48xgxhzZ9Wat5Mu447kOpcebUzVM1BwFDxf0kcyZxAe742I5t86S2RDAxAaMZ 4DoAHq1aB/PR9cjXQMkn2EV6hg3Xn4/rxHkNqOxI3PwU7lSYEBgZCyom8JVhixAQ TNzvthHanakV8xX57y23vibANAmeLII/v6D7z6bNZt9B54XRdsqFTDGM02/C79Y= =Cv5s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- coreboot mailing list: [email protected] https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
