> On 6 Oct 2018, at 22:17, ron minnich <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> It depends on what you mean by fully. If there is a so-called Mask ROM (i.e. 
> initial boot program that's part of the chip itself, not replaceable, you can 
> disassemble it however) and the rest of the chip is fully open, does that 
> count? 

That's a good start.  In my experience, these are what I've mostly seen.

Ideally I mean one where the boot loader (and payload?) are not proprietary.  
Or that an open source boot loader could be used, preferably without added 
blobs.

> For my money the ARM chromebooks are still one of the best bets out there for 
> messing about with ARM firmware. 

Yes, I've been looking at getting one for this very purpose, especially as it's 
already a whole, usable system.  Have you any particular recommendations?

>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 12:30 PM Andrew Luke Nesbit 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 6 Oct 2018, at 17:42, ron minnich <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > 
>> [...]
>> >  
>> > if you really want 100% open, the only real options at this point are 
>> > power 9, RISCV and some ARM CPUs.
>> 
>> Ron, thanks for your reasoned reply and the contextual background.  I 
>> believe this is important when embarking on any project with a legacy.
>> 
>> I know of libre-friendly POWER9 and RISC-V options.  For example, I am 
>> currently learning my way around the Talos II (which is excellent).  
>> ARM-based systems have been elusive to me.
>> 
>> Could you please give some examples of fully libre-friendly ARM-based boards 
>> or systems?  Thanks!!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Andrew
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