Not the same house, I am sure, Linda! You can "walk" down the road using Google Maps, and see it.
Glad to be able to help. B https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/ http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/ On 17 July 2018 at 14:51, Linda Steenson <[email protected]> wrote: > I am thrilled to find there is still a house! > > I know Nathaniel is the father of William because William remarried in > 1900 (Isabella died in 1899) and he listed Nathaniel as his father on the > marriage document. > > Thank you for your response. I would love to visit this area when I come > back to Ireland. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Boyd Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > I have been researching in Ireland for 18 years now and consider myself > lucky if I can trace my folks back to 1800. After that, not a brick wall > but a cliff edge. No records. In fact, very few records at all for the > first half of the 19th century. It is what it is. No point chasing a > mirage. And ships manifests are especially thin on the ground throughout > the 19th century. > > You already have the most important record, the Griffiths Valuation. This > will tell you the exact spot where your folks came from so you can visit it > and see what is there now should you ever come to Ireland. Do you know how > to use the associated maps to determine that? > > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ > > His name is actually spelled Stenson, with only one "e": > > Griffith's Valuation Record Information > Tenant > Family Name 1 STENSON > Forename 1 NATHANIEL > Landlord > Family Name 2 CHARLEMONT > Forename 2 EARL OF > Location > County TYRONE > Barony DUNGANNON, MIDDLE > Union DUNGANNON > Parish CLONFEACLE > Townland DUNAMONY > Place Name DUNAMONY > Place Type TOWNLAND > Publication Details > Position on Page 12 > Printing Date 1860 > Act 15&16 > Sheet Number 54,61 > Map Reference 22 > > Nathaniel shared a very tiny plot of just a couple of acres with a William > and a John Stenson. It is impossible to use the GV to state how anyone is > related, though one might guess, so perhaps you have more information from > elsewhere to make William and John his sons. There is still a house on the > same spot, just south of the A4, about three miles east of the well known > Ballygawley Roundabout. > > You can use the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books, online here ( > https://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx) to determine that > Nathaniel's little plot went to Abraham Abernathy in 1875, while William's > went to Luke Dalton in 1876. John's house was pulled down in 1871. This > strongly suggests that the Stensons died out, perhaps emigrating after the > death of Nathaniel in late 1873 so sadly, finding "cousins" will not be > easy, though not impossible if Nathaniel had any daughters who married and > had children under a new name. > > I cannot see any daughters but William was certainly married as you > describe: > > Civil Marriage Record > Date of Marriage: 09-Aug-1861 > Parish / District: DUNGANNON County: TYRONE > Husband Wife > Name: William Stinson Isabella Ekin > Address: Dunamoney Tannagh > Occupation: FARMER > Age: 24 21 > Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried) > Husband's Father Wife's Father > Name: Nathaniel Stinson Alexander Ekin > Address: > Occupation: FARMER FARMER > Husband's Mother Wife's Mother > Name: > Address: > Occupation: > Witness 1 Witness 2 > Name: William Ford Alexander Akin > Address: > Notes: > MINTERBURN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH PARISH OF AUGHALOO. > > And they had at least these children: > > Action Source Surname First Name Year County > View Church Baptism Stinson Margaret Jane 1862 Co. Armagh > View Civil Birth Steenson Alexander 1866 Co. Tyrone > View Church Baptism Stinson Alexander 1866 Co. Armagh > View Civil Birth Steenson Maria 1871 Co > View Civil Birth Steenson James 1872 Co. Tyrone > > Hope this helps, > > Boyd > > > > https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/ > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/ > > > > On 16 July 2018 at 18:59, Linda Steenson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am now heartened that you found records for Patti. I have been trying >> to go back beyond my great great grandfather Nathaniel Steenson (and his >> wife Margaret Templeton) (and get more info on Nathaniel). >> >> I am going to the genealogy library in San Diego today. Where do you >> suggest I look? They have more resources than I do. I assume the >> Steenson’s came from Scotland in the 1600s when the Ulster plantations were >> created. >> >> Nathaniel is listed with two sons in Griffiths Valuation (last name >> listed as Steenson). His lessor was William Carberry, Earl of Charelmont >> in the barony of Middle Dungannon, parish of Clonfeacle, townland of >> Dunamony. He was born “about” 1801 and died December 17, 1873. I don’t have >> accurate information on his wife. >> >> His son, William Stenson/Steenson was born in 1836 in Armagh and >> emigrated to America with his wife Isabella Eakin and their children (his >> son George was born in Oregon and is my paternal grandfather. He died in >> Iregon in 1915. >> >> I cannot find emigration records except for a passenger list on the >> Utopia that landed in New York (from Glasgow, Scotland) August 27, 1874. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Tee hee.... born 1850, no wonder I could not find him. He was hardly "a >> child" when he emigrated in 1880!! >> >> So, here is his Philly death cert: >> >> Name: Rev James Trainor >> Gender: Male >> Race: White >> Age: 59 >> Birth Date: 1856 >> Birth Place: Ireland >> Death Date: 18 Jan 1916 >> Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA >> Father: James Trainor >> Mother: Mary Mc Carron >> Certificate Number: 14012 >> >> ....with the details such as mother's maiden name, needed to help locate >> him in Ireland, except that he was born before civil records began in 1864, >> which complicates matters. >> >> Luckily, RootsIreland has the records for his local church online, so >> here is his baptism: >> >> Church Baptism Record >> Name: James Trenor Date of Birth: >> Date of Baptism: 26-Nov-1854 >> Address: Seskinore Parish/District: BERAGH >> Gender: Unknown County TYRONE >> Father: James Trenor Mother: Mary Mccarron >> Occupation: >> Sponsor 1 / >> Informant 1: Daniel >> Sponsor 2 / >> Informant 2: Margaret Gallagher >> >> And here is his father in the GV: >> >> Griffith's Valuation Record Information >> Tenant >> Family Name 1 TRAYNOR >> Forename 1 JAMES >> Landlord >> Family Name 2 MCCLINTOCK >> Forename 2 GEORGE P. >> Location >> County TYRONE >> Barony OMAGH, EAST >> Union OMAGH >> Parish CLOGHERNY >> Townland SESKINORE >> Place Name SESKINORE >> Place Type TOWNLAND >> Publication Details >> Position on Page 4 >> Printing Date 1860 >> Act 15&16 >> Sheet Number 43,51 >> Map Reference 38 >> James Traynor senior had a small 8 acre farm. >> >> And that means, you can find exactly where he lived using the maps at : >> >> http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ >> >> Now, if you want to find out if he had family left in the area, you need >> to start chasing up those Tranors using the GVRBs and then the two censuses >> of 1901 and 1911. >> >> Hope this helps, Patricia. >> >> Boyd >> >> https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ >> >> https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/ >> >> http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/ >> >> >> >> On 16 July 2018 at 16:26, Barbara Finizia via CoTyroneList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Philadelphia Inquirer >>> Sunday, Jan 02, 1916 >>> Philadelphia, PA >>> Vol: 174 >>> Issue: 2 >>> Page: 14 >>> >>> Is his obit Patricia >>> If you need a copy Patricia I will copy >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> James F Trainor >>> Born 1850 >>> Ordained 1881 >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:01 AM, dm60--- via CoTyroneList < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Pati >>>> >>>> One of the gurus at the Ulster Historical Foundation (or still linked >>>> to the UHF) is Dr Brian Trainor, one time head of PRONI. >>>> >>>> Can't be much on Trainor in Ireland that Brian hasn't encountered or >>>> dabbled with in his extensive career! >>>> >>>> Warm regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave Mitchell >>>> UGHG No.202 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Mary Redline via CoTyroneList" <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland. >>>> com> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Cc: *"Mary Redline" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 16, 2018 03:47:07 PM >>>> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, >>>> Issue 1 >>>> >>>> Dear Patricia: >>>> >>>> Did you try contacting the archdiocese in Philadelphia to see if they >>>> have any files or additional information for him? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Patricia Trainor Link via CoTyroneList < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> To: cotyronelist <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: patiandbutch <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 8:29 am >>>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1 >>>> >>>> Help! >>>> I have written to 3 parishes in Tyrone, Omagh, trying to locate the >>>> family of: >>>> James Trainor who left Omagh as a child circa 1880 with family for >>>> the USA via Cobh. 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