I'm not entirely clear on how to ask for help with information or do my own 
searches on the website. Please advise. Thank you, Christine.

Our family left Ireland presumably for work and food. My father's people left 
for America, my mother's people headed to England.
I have been looking for more information on these two sets:

Charles McGinn
BIRTH ABT. 1846 • Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland
DEATH JUN 1891 • Durham, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
2nd great-grandfather
married to
Mary Hamilton
BIRTH 11 JAN 1847 • Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland
DEATH AFTER 1911

and

Cornelius O'Kane
BIRTH 1842 • Ballybraddin, Loughguile, Co. Antrim, Ireland
DEATH 1919 • Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
great-grandfather
married to
Margaret McConnell
1855–1903
BIRTH 1855 • Tarland, Antrim, Ireland
DEATH 1903 • Tynemouth, Northumberland
great-grandmother
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   2. Fwd: Meehan family information (Carrie Mahan)
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      Parish Baptisms 1800-1843 with added Birth, Death & Other Data
      (Carol Hoffman)
   4. Re: Fwd: Meehan family information (Elwyn Soutter)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 19:34:28 -0600
From: Katie Green <[email protected]>
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Carol,

My apologies for not being able to keep everything straight. I?m involved in 
too many genealogical projects at the moment, clearly. There?s Tyrone, and 
Limerick and some American queries from past roots sleuthing come in from time 
to time  (my own family)and genealogy for two projects related to my home 
county in No. CA ? one a book about to be published, one an ongoing data bank 
from the gold rush to 1906. That last one will be with me ?til I draw my last 
breath. Anyway, keep this in mind when I sound really, really stupid! Sometimes 
it?s hard for my brain to switch gears.

I poured over the entries from St. Catherine?s, Ontario which I bothered to 
copy out by hand when I visited there ? there wasn?t a working copier at the 
archive ? and see some Cain/Caines. Is that an alternative spelling for Kane, 
you suppose? Nothing else jumped out at me. My head is spinning. Our line  of 
the Devlins migrated south to St. Louis from Ontario.

Enough for now,

Katie

> On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Carol Hoffman via CoTyroneList 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I believe so Katie Green. We have corresponded on email.  I have Stinson?s in 
> my history. My Great Grandmother. Sarah Stinson Donnelly on my Burrows 
> genealogy.  Also have Devlin?s married to another side of my Family, Richard 
> Kane, my Mother?s Great Grandmother?s, Mary Rhoda KANE - Showalter?s Brother. 
> William Francis Kane family married into the Devlin Family In Philadelphia.
> Back to the Mayflower Family? tree on Ancestry.  Have not followed up my 
> Irish roots in Donegal and Tyrone. Just knew we had a DNA connection.  
> Blessings, CarolHoffman
>
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
>
>> So, Carol B H., are you a twig on this same Devlin/Stinson tree?
>>
>> Katie Green
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Carol Hoffman via CoTyroneList 
>>> <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So Katie Green it looks like you have finally found our family connections. 
>>> So glad. I have not be able to do the spreadsheet yet.  Blessings, 
>>> CarolBurrowsHoffman
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
>>> <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perfect! Found the explanation right off. Thanks so much, Liam.
>>>>
>>>> Katie G
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Liam ? Cuinn via CoTyroneList 
>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Could I refer you to www.placenamesni.org<http://www.placenamesni.org> 
>>>>> <http://www.placenamesni.org/>.    For excellent info on all place-names.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Feb 2019 20:48, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks to Jim and Pat Grimes for this one. I hand-wrote some of these off 
>>>>> of LDS microfilm some years ago, trying to pinpoint my Devlins to a town 
>>>>> or hamlet. I now strongly think Kinrush for the Devlin side but can?t 
>>>>> prove it. ?My? Hugh Devlin?s birth date from 1808 doesn?t match anything 
>>>>> in this record, but his marriage to Olivia (Livia) Steenson/Stinson is in 
>>>>> it (It was a Catholic-Protestant marriage) as well as the birth of their 
>>>>> first child, Peter. They went off to St. Catherine?s, Ontario in 1839 and 
>>>>> some others of the folks in this Arboe record turn up there, too, in the 
>>>>> Cathedral records.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, is Kinrush the same as Kinross?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, my thanks. It?s so nice to see the records laid out so tidily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Katie Green
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
>>>>> <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ardboe Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms 1800-1843 with added Birth, Death & 
>>>>> Other Data <https://cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/arboe-rc2.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to Pat Grimes for another great addition to CTI and to Mary Jarvis 
>>>>> for pointing us to this marvellous and HUGE file.  This is the first of 
>>>>> four files which has a total of over 9.000 baptisms!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim McKane
>>>>> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.  Attended
church at carrickmore, born 1831,  died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record
keeper there,  who was less than forthcoming about giving out other
records. Hope you will have other information.  These are the Meehans of
tremoge. Michael was married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a
daughter.  Michael died in 1903. Looking for original marriage records,
birth certificates,  death certificates, and more information about
Margaret morris. I only have information from Ancestry. Anything else would
be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie Mahan
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:30:04 -0500
From: Carol Hoffman <[email protected]>
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Yes KatieGreen you are a busy lady. So glad your next book is close to being 
finished.  I will be back in touch about your earlier ones. I know it will be 
so interesting to read and pass on. You are so talented. Blessings, CarolHoffman

> On Feb 12, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Carol,
>
> My apologies for not being able to keep everything straight. I?m involved in 
> too many genealogical projects at the moment, clearly. There?s Tyrone, and 
> Limerick and some American queries from past roots sleuthing come in from 
> time to time  (my own family)and genealogy for two projects related to my 
> home county in No. CA ? one a book about to be published, one an ongoing data 
> bank from the gold rush to 1906. That last one will be with me ?til I draw my 
> last breath. Anyway, keep this in mind when I sound really, really stupid! 
> Sometimes it?s hard for my brain to switch gears.
>
> I poured over the entries from St. Catherine?s, Ontario which I bothered to 
> copy out by hand when I visited there ? there wasn?t a working copier at the 
> archive ? and see some Cain/Caines. Is that an alternative spelling for Kane, 
> you suppose? Nothing else jumped out at me. My head is spinning. Our line  of 
> the Devlins migrated south to St. Louis from Ontario.
>
> Enough for now,
>
> Katie
>
>> On Feb 11, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Carol Hoffman via CoTyroneList 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I believe so Katie Green. We have corresponded on email.  I have Stinson?s 
>> in my history. My Great Grandmother. Sarah Stinson Donnelly on my Burrows 
>> genealogy.  Also have Devlin?s married to another side of my Family, Richard 
>> Kane, my Mother?s Great Grandmother?s, Mary Rhoda KANE - Showalter?s 
>> Brother. William Francis Kane family married into the Devlin Family In 
>> Philadelphia.
>> Back to the Mayflower Family? tree on Ancestry.  Have not followed up my 
>> Irish roots in Donegal and Tyrone. Just knew we had a DNA connection.  
>> Blessings, CarolHoffman
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, Carol B H., are you a twig on this same Devlin/Stinson tree?
>>>
>>> Katie Green
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Carol Hoffman via CoTyroneList 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So Katie Green it looks like you have finally found our family 
>>>> connections. So glad. I have not be able to do the spreadsheet yet.  
>>>> Blessings, CarolBurrowsHoffman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Perfect! Found the explanation right off. Thanks so much, Liam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Katie G
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Liam ? Cuinn via CoTyroneList 
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could I refer you to www.placenamesni.org<http://www.placenamesni.org>.  
>>>>>>   For excellent info on all place-names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 Feb 2019 20:48, Katie Green via CoTyroneList 
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks to Jim and Pat Grimes for this one. I hand-wrote some of these 
>>>>>> off of LDS microfilm some years ago, trying to pinpoint my Devlins to a 
>>>>>> town or hamlet. I now strongly think Kinrush for the Devlin side but 
>>>>>> can?t prove it. ?My? Hugh Devlin?s birth date from 1808 doesn?t match 
>>>>>> anything in this record, but his marriage to Olivia (Livia) 
>>>>>> Steenson/Stinson is in it (It was a Catholic-Protestant marriage) as 
>>>>>> well as the birth of their first child, Peter. They went off to St. 
>>>>>> Catherine?s, Ontario in 1839 and some others of the folks in this Arboe 
>>>>>> record turn up there, too, in the Cathedral records.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, is Kinrush the same as Kinross?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, my thanks. It?s so nice to see the records laid out so tidily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Katie Green
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ardboe Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms 1800-1843 with added Birth, Death 
>>>>>> & Other Data
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to Pat Grimes for another great addition to CTI and to Mary 
>>>>>> Jarvis for pointing us to this marvellous and HUGE file.  This is the 
>>>>>> first of four files which has a total of over 9.000 baptisms!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim McKane
>>>>>> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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You won?t get a birth certificate forMichael Meehan because his birth was long 
before the start of statutory birthcertificates in Ireland (1864). Prior to 
1864 we generally rely on churchrecords but in this case if he was born near 
Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish)in 1831, their baptisms don?t start till 
1834, so there won?t be a baptismrecord to find. So you probably won?t find any 
documentary record of his birthor baptism.


?
Family in 1901 census:


?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/


?
I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873,James on 8.6.1878 and daughter Alice on 
17.9.1867 (where mother?s maiden nameis recorded as Morrow). Mary Meenan?s 
death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900aged 50.


?
You can view the above certificates free onthe irishgenealogy site? 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.iesave for John?s in 1873 which appears in 
the indexes but isn?t on the website.In that case you best bet is probably to 
view it on the GRONI website. They doappear to hold a copy there.


?
I searched for the 3rd son?sbirth but did not find it. Could it have been pre 
1864 Ie before statutoryregistration)? In which case you would need to rely on 
church records. TheCarrickmore parish records for 1834 to 1857 are on-line on 
the nli site but therecords for 1858 onwards are not. So if the marriage and 
the birth of the firstson fell in the period 1858 to 1863, then the church has 
the only copy.


?
Note that in both the 1901 census and thevarious statutory records I have 
referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenannot Meehan.


?
Michael Meenan?s farm is listed inGriffiths Valuation for 1860. It was plot 18a 
in Griffiths and was a 29 acrefarm. That property today is near the junction of 
the Termon and Coolbrackroads, outside Pomeroy.


?
Griffith's Valuation



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Griffith's Valuation
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  |




I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael 
married the girl next door.
?
I am sorry that the person responsible forthe church records was not as helpful 
as they might have been. Churches here doget a lot of genealogical requests 
and, in my personal experience, there havebeen several unfortunate incidents 
involving people defacing entries andripping pages out of registers for 
whatever reason. Since these are theoriginal records some custodians are 
understandably cautious about othershandling them.


?
It?s probably also worth trying to manageyour expectations here. I think some 
people expect churches to hold lots ofdetailed records on their congregations. 
They usually don?t. The birth andmarriage records are often all they have (for 
the 1800s anyway). Few RCchurches kept burial records, and there was rarely a 
written record forgraveyards of where people were buried. (The gravediggers and 
most of thepopulation were largely illiterate. Written records were no use to 
them). Theinformation on where families were buried was kept in people?s heads, 
butobviously was lost when they died or moved away.


?

?

?
Elwyn



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Subject: Meehan family information
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Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.? Attended church 
at carrickmore, born 1831,? died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record keeper 
there,? who was less than forthcoming about giving out other records. Hope you 
will have other information.? These are the Meehans of tremoge. Michael was 
married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a daughter.? Michael died in 
1903. Looking for original marriage records, birth certificates,? death 
certificates, and more information about Margaret morris. I only have 
information from Ancestry. Anything else would be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie 
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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 20:25:11 +1100
From: Linley Hooper <[email protected]>
To: Elwyn Soutter <[email protected]>,    "CoTyroneIreland.com
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Hi - I have family called Meenagh or variants in Termonmaguirek/Carrickmore
- (Ellen who married n the 1830s or a little earlier who married a Hagan (&
variants) before 1835.
Linley

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 19:14, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <
[email protected]> wrote:

> You won?t get a birth certificate for Michael Meehan because his birth was
> long before the start of statutory birth certificates in Ireland (1864).
> Prior to 1864 we generally rely on church records but in this case if he
> was born near Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish) in 1831, their baptisms
> don?t start till 1834, so there won?t be a baptism record to find. So you
> probably won?t find any documentary record of his birth or baptism.
>
> Family in 1901 census:
>
>
> http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/
>
> I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873, James on 8.6.1878 and daughter
> Alice on 17.9.1867 (where mother?s maiden name is recorded as Morrow). Mary
> Meenan?s death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900 aged 50.
>
> You can view the above certificates free on the irishgenealogy site
> https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie save for John?s in 1873 which
> appears in the indexes but isn?t on the website. In that case you best bet
> is probably to view it on the GRONI website. They do appear to hold a copy
> there.
>
> I searched for the 3rd son?s birth but did not find it. Could it have
> been pre 1864 Ie before statutory registration)? In which case you would
> need to rely on church records. The Carrickmore parish records for 1834 to
> 1857 are on-line on the nli site but the records for 1858 onwards are not.
> So if the marriage and the birth of the first son fell in the period 1858
> to 1863, then the church has the only copy.
>
> Note that in both the 1901 census and the various statutory records I have
> referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenan not Meehan.
>
> Michael Meenan?s farm is listed in Griffiths Valuation for 1860. It was
> plot 18a in Griffiths and was a 29 acre farm. That property today is near
> the junction of the Termon and Coolbrack roads, outside Pomeroy.
>
> Griffith's Valuation
> <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch>
>
> Griffith's Valuation
>
> <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch>
>
>
>
> I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael
> married the girl next door.
>
> I am sorry that the person responsible for the church records was not as
> helpful as they might have been. Churches here do get a lot of genealogical
> requests and, in my personal experience, there have been several
> unfortunate incidents involving people defacing entries and ripping pages
> out of registers for whatever reason. Since these are the original records
> some custodians are understandably cautious about others handling them.
>
> It?s probably also worth trying to manage your expectations here. I think
> some people expect churches to hold lots of detailed records on their
> congregations. They usually don?t. The birth and marriage records are often
> all they have (for the 1800s anyway). Few RC churches kept burial records,
> and there was rarely a written record for graveyards of where people were
> buried. (The gravediggers and most of the population were largely
> illiterate. Written records were no use to them). The information on where
> families were buried was kept in people?s heads, but obviously was lost
> when they died or moved away.
>
>
>
> Elwyn
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 8:03 AM
> Subject: Meehan family information
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> Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.  Attended
> church at carrickmore, born 1831,  died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record
> keeper there,  who was less than forthcoming about giving out other
> records. Hope you will have other information.  These are the Meehans of
> tremoge. Michael was married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a
> daughter.  Michael died in 1903. Looking for original marriage records,
> birth certificates,  death certificates, and more information about
> Margaret morris. I only have information from Ancestry. Anything else would
> be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie Mahan
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