Rick,
It’s quite possible your ancestor was affiliated to both churches. It’s not
that unusual. When Wesley started Methodism, he encouraged followers to have
their services on Sunday afternoons, so they could attend the Church of Ireland
in the morning.
Looking at the records for Kilskeery, I see two Methodist Meeting Houses,
according to the PRONI guide:
Togherdoo (in Irvinestown circuit) [Wesleyan
Baptisms, 1829-1913; marriages may be included in Irvinestown Church marriages,
1863-1918.
Trillick [Wesleyan Methodists]
Baptisms, 1829-1913; marriages may be included in Irvinestown Church marriages,
1863-1918.
There’s a reference to Irvinestown records:
Irvinestown [Wesleyan Methodists]
Baptisms, 1829-1913 (circuit); marriages, 1863-1918.
Yellow Church [Wesleyan Methodists]
[Formed part of Irvinestown Circuit – see under Irvinestown above]
You’ll see that the marriages only start over 30 years after the baptisms. You
know why now, and pre 1863 marriages will likely have been in the local Church
of Ireland.
In case you are unfamiliar with the term circuit, Methodists affiliate 7 or 8
congregations together. That’s called a circuit and the members are encouraged
to co-operate together to promote Gods work etc.
Elwyn
On Thursday, 7 January 2021, 16:53:05 GMT, Rick Smoll <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks Elwyn ... that clears some things up. For instance, I had one great
grandfather who was listed as Methodist in the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but who
was a warden in the Church of Ireland (Kilskeery Parish) in 1888. We were
guessing that he had converted by 1901, but maybe he was affiliated with both?
Also, we learned that the closest Methodist church was in Irvinestown, but
there was a family home in their local farming community that served as a
meeting place for the Methodists.
Rick Smoll
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From: Elwyn Soutter <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>;
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Rick Smoll <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 10:14 am
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Simcoe County, Ontario
Rick, I don’t have any specific knowledge of Methodism in Canada, but it was
established by members of the Church of Ireland/England who broke away to form
a separate denomination. Charles Wesley didn’t want that. He wanted Methodism
to be a way of promoting religious adherence whilst remaining part of the
Church of England & Ireland. However that didn’t happen, but in Ireland it took
a long time for the split to be complete. There was considerable resistance to
separating from the Church of Ireland. It was 1815 before Methodists started to
conduct their own baptisms. Because of continuing loyalty and other factors,
many continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this
and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own. For
Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast
Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid
1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on
lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in
the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting
Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples
marrying in the Church of Ireland. So to summarise, the two denominations are
close to each other, and were once the same. So moving from Church of England
to Methodist, or vice versa, wasn’t a very big step. (The Church of Ireland and
Methodist congregations in Lisburn, Co. Antrim share the same church). Elwyn
On Thursday, 7 January 2021, 15:59:26 GMT, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList
<[email protected]> wrote:
yes ... 1915-1919
I may have been that he and his wife to be had been in a relationship before he
left for Canada, and that she followed after him.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: CoTyroneIreland.com <[email protected]>
To: Rick Smoll <[email protected]>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 9:54 am
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Simcoe County, Ontario
Hi Rick - well not that I am aware of; however, you typed "(late 19-teens)
"........... do you mean like 1918 era?? OR ??Jim
Jim McKane
CoTyroneIreland.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:51 AM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList
<[email protected]> wrote:
This question goes out most specifically to Jim McKane since I understand he
hails from the Toronto area, however anyone with knowledge of the answer should
feel free to chime in.
In tracing the paths of my ten great aunts and uncles who were the last
generation to be born on our family farm in C.T., I have found that one of my
great uncles emigrated to Canada (late 19-teens) and was a farmer in the area
of Simcoe County. He married a woman who was from a neighboring townland back
in C.T. who had also emigrated to the area. I am wondering if Simcoe County (or
that region outside Toronto in general) was an area that attracted Ulstermen at
that time, and perhaps an ethnic community had evolved. I also noticed that on
his marriage certificate his religious affiliation was listed as Church of
England, although he had been raised Methodist back in NI ... any comments on
that?
Thanks!!
Rick Smoll
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