Notwithstanding the fact that the Irish Moffatts originally came from Scotland, and Scottish Moffatts no doubt moved around the world of their own volition, there are many Moffatts in Ontario (my wife’s family in and around Orillia, Medonte, etc.) and British Columbia – and elsewhere – whose roots can be traced directly to emigration from Ireland in the early and mid-1800s. Both avenues are obviously worth investigating. I am happy to help with advice on the Irish part. Roger
From: James McKane via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022 12:18 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> Cc: James McKane <[email protected]> Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 External email: Please exercise caution ________________________________ Actually, a large number of the Irish actually trace back to Scotland........... and in the 1840-60 era a number moved back to Scotland (and England as well) seeking work in the coal mines. Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 8:13 PM Louise Marshall via CoTyroneList <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Anjeannette My husband has Moffitt in his line and whilst I thought they were all Irish they actually trace back to the Clan Moffat originally from the Scottish town of Moffat. You could try the Clan Moffat website http://www.clanmoffat.org/<http://www.clanmoffat.org/> They also have a facebook group. Hope this helps! Happy searching Louise Marshall M: 0437 431 421 E: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ________________________________ From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022, 11:23 To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' Cc: 'Roger Cousens'; AJ Staley Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 Thanks Roger Cousens for the information on Griffith’s Valuation. I also have Moffits, Moffitts, Moffetts, Moffats, Moffatts in my line and have not been able to find the location in which they were from in Ireland. This gives me just a bit more of information that I can try to pin them down. Appreciate the help given by ALL (Jim, Len and other) contributors to this group. Sincerely, Anjeannette Staley From: Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 3:41 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Roger Cousens <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 The first publication of Griffith’s Valuation (searchable at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/<http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/>) can be just the start of an investigation. The valuations were revised every few years, making it possible to see when people moved in or out of a location. For anyone who has not tried it, after searching Griffith’s Valuation on the Askaboutireland database, it is worth then searching the revision books at https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books<https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books> This has told me, for example, when someone might have died, when they might have emigrated or when there was a new landlord. It can be hard-going at first finding the pages that you want (nowhere near as hard as searching for transcriptions of wills on Family Search!), but they are ordered by baronry and townland (the order is given at the front of each book) and each volume tends to retain the order of the previous revision. There are some great guides on the web to the history of the valuation and the years that it took place. A good start is John Grenham’s summary at http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/what-is-griffiths-valuati/<http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/what-is-griffiths-valuati/> Also https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/img_auth.php/5/5a/Griffiths_Valuation_Records_D_Poffenberger.pdf<https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/img_auth.php/5/5a/Griffiths_Valuation_Records_D_Poffenberger.pdf> For anyone interested in general history of the time at which the survey was conducted, there is also a fascinating PhD thesis on Griffith’s valuation at https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/7778/1/Smyth%202008.pdf<https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/7778/1/Smyth%202008.pdf> One of my biggest frustrations using the Askaboutireland database (and the censuses) is that they sometimes do not use the spelling of the townland name that we use now, or made an error, so it does not come up on a search (you cannot select “Include similar names” when searching for places). You need to be a bit imaginative and try different spellings, or search for the person (rather than a place) and then scroll through the pages of results – though of course the spellings of names are inconsistent because many people at the time were illiterate and the spelling was guessed (my Moffits, Moffitts,Moffetts, Moffats, Moffatts). Regards Roger Cousens From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, 7 January 2022 10:31 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: barry woolner <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Len Swindley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 External email: Please exercise caution ________________________________ Hello Barry, My hard copy is dated 1858, but Griffiths was a compilation of several years prior to that. Regards, Len Swindley ________________________________ From: barry woolner via CoTyroneList <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, 7 January 2022 7:24 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: barry woolner <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 Hi Jim/Len, re the post on 31/12/2021- could you tell me what year this was please? Great site. Appreciate the work. Have a save and happy 2022. Barry Index to Griffiths Valuation Camus Parish (Strabane), Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: 31 December 2021 16:30 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New Content - Index to Griffiths Valuation Camus Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland (James McKane) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 07:36:13 -0500 From: James McKane <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] New Content - Index to Griffiths Valuation Camus Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Message-ID: <cadp7hviz7-cwykyrwnxhe1+u++wdv1jkreyved06_jftfto...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:cadp7hviz7-cwykyrwnxhe1+u++wdv1jkreyved06_jftfto...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d14b5a05d45c4e0b" Index to Griffiths Valuation Camus Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/griffith/camus.html<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/griffith/camus.html>> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another HUGE addition to CTI! 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