So interesting Elwin Scotter! No my family but great info and insight.
> On Jan 11, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Anjeanette, > > There are some trees on Ancestry that give Annie Jeanette Crawford’s birth as > 22.12.1861 in Drumshanbo, Co. Leitrim. Have you investigated that? Birth > registration didn’t start in Ireland till 1864 so for a birth before that you > need to rely on church baptism records. Not all those records are on-line. > > Griffiths Valuation c 1860 lists a Mark Crawford and a John Crawford both > living in Drumshanbo Town. > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml > > They appear to have been father & son. Mark died in 1873 aged 80. Informant > was John. > > https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020687/7258398.pdf > > This looks to be John in the 1901 census: > > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Drumshanbo/Drumshanbo_Town/1483718/ > > That family were Methodist in 1901 though originally they’d have been Church > of Ireland (it’s complicated but in short, Methodism took a long time to > become established as a separate denomination in Ireland and some Methodists > still used the Church of Ireland for baptisms and marriages till around > 1870). > > Drumshanbo Town is in the civil parish of Kiltoghert. The Church of Ireland > records for that parish start in 1827. The originals are in the RCB library > in Dublin. They are not on-line there and so you would need to go yourself or > get a researcher to look them up. However the Rootsireland site has some > years on its database, so you could try that. (Subscription site). > > For Methodist records, you could try the Methodist Historical Society at > Edgehill Theological College in Belfast. They were in the process of copying > all surviving Methodist records in Ireland, and if they don’t have the > Drumshanbo records, they may be able to advise who to contact. Many are still > held by the local Minister. You could ask whoever has the records to look for > Annie Jeanette’s birth/baptism. With a specific date that shouldn’t be too > difficult. If there are no Methodist records for Drumshanbo, try the Church > of Ireland instead. > > https://methodisthistoryireland.org/irish-methodist-baptismal-and-marriage-records/ > > John Crawford married Ann Jones in 1858, so if she was born in 1861, that > fits reasonably well for them to be Annie Jeanette’s parents. > > https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09558/5465548.pdf > > Perhaps you have her parents names from her marriage or death certificate? > > The only snag with all this is that Drumshanbo isn’t all that close to Co > Tyrone, in Irish terms anyway. But I can only go by what someone has posted > on their tree. > > Hope this helps. > > > Elwyn > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 11 January 2022, 20:54:55 GMT, AJ Staley via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks to all who have given me such wonderful direction. Just to let you > know here is my brick wall I am working on: > > > > I have been stuck for a number of years on one Robert A. Moffatt Born 3 Oct > 1853 in Ireland, could be from a place called Bellanean? But no proof of > place, only hearsay. The A could stand for Alexander or possibly Anderson. > Immigrated to the US in 1873 per 1900 census. Know that he married on 6 Feb > 1881 in Leetonia, Columbiana, Ohio to Annie Jeannette Crawford also went by > Anna J or Anna Jean). After a few years and they moved to Lawrence Co., > Pennsylvania and lived in a couple of different towns there until his death > in 1928 > > > > Robert had a brother Joseph Moffat that I found and a Sister Elizabeth that > had also immigrated to the US. > > > > Joseph was born about 1850 in Ireland and came a few years before as I found > him working in Columbiana as a labor and in a family by the name of Digne who > came from Ireland the mother and father and several of the children all born > there, and a couple born in the United States. Joseph married one of the > older girls in that family in Columbiana, Columbiana Co., Ohio. They later > show up in New Castle, Lawrence Co., Pennsylvania census records and he died > in 1896. According to the obituary found for Robert, Josephs son was a pall > bearer for Robert when he died. It is the only clue that Joseph and Robert > were brothers other than they both were in Columbiana, Columbiana Co., Ohio > during one period of time. > > > > Elizabeth was born 8 Jul 1861 in Tyrone, Ireland per her death notice. She > married in 1890 New Castle, Lawrence Co., Pennsylvania. Her death was in > 1920 and Robert is listed as her brother in the obituary. She did not > immigrate to the US until 1887 or 1888 depending on which U S census you > believe 1900 or 1920. Her obituary is the only one that lists her parent > as William and Nancy Moffatt. > > > > So, I will be looking in Tyrone and surrounding areas. As Roberts wife Anna > Jeannette is said to have lived near where Robert lived in Ireland, but did > not know him until she met him when visiting a cousin in Columbiana, > Columbiana Co., Ohio. > > > > Sorry for the long twisted story of the problem, but it may shed some light > to someone else that has been down this trial. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Anjeannette Staley > > > > > > From: Francesca Piantadosi via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 9:19 AM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> > Cc: Francesca Piantadosi <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 > > > > I too have Moffats from my grandmother. I was able to find his birth > certificate and a relative I didn’t know who lives in England. Which Moffatt > are you looking for? > > > > Francesca Piantadosi > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 9, 2022, at 5:18 PM, James McKane via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Actually, a large number of the Irish actually trace back to > Scotland........... and in the 1840-60 era a number moved back to Scotland > (and England as well) seeking work in the coal mines. > > > > Jim McKane > > Kitchener, Ontario > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 8:13 PM Louise Marshall via CoTyroneList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Anjeannette > > > > My husband has Moffitt in his line and whilst I thought they were all Irish > they actually trace back to the Clan Moffat originally from the Scottish > town of Moffat. > > > > You could try the Clan Moffat website http://www.clanmoffat.org/ > > > > They also have a facebook group. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Happy searching > > > > > > Louise Marshall > M: 0437 431 421 > E: [email protected] > > > > From: AJ Staley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 10 January 2022, 11:23 > To: 'CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List' > Cc: 'Roger Cousens'; AJ Staley > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 > > > > Thanks Roger Cousens for the information on Griffith’s Valuation. I also > have Moffits, Moffitts, Moffetts, Moffats, Moffatts in my line and have not > been able to find the location in which they were from in Ireland. This > gives me just a bit more of information that I can try to pin them down. > > > > Appreciate the help given by ALL (Jim, Len and other) contributors to this > group. > > > > Sincerely, > > Anjeannette Staley > > > > From: Roger Cousens via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 3:41 PM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> > Cc: Roger Cousens <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 > > > > The first publication of Griffith’s Valuation (searchable at > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/) can be just the start of > an investigation. The valuations were revised every few years, making it > possible to see when people moved in or out of a location. For anyone who > has not tried it, after searching Griffith’s Valuation on the Askaboutireland > database, it is worth then searching the revision books at > https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books This > has told me, for example, when someone might have died, when they might have > emigrated or when there was a new landlord. It can be hard-going at first > finding the pages that you want (nowhere near as hard as searching for > transcriptions of wills on Family Search!), but they are ordered by baronry > and townland (the order is given at the front of each book) and each volume > tends to retain the order of the previous revision. > > > > There are some great guides on the web to the history of the valuation and > the years that it took place. A good start is John Grenham’s summary at > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/what-is-griffiths-valuati/ > > Also > https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/img_auth.php/5/5a/Griffiths_Valuation_Records_D_Poffenberger.pdf > > > > For anyone interested in general history of the time at which the survey was > conducted, there is also a fascinating PhD thesis on Griffith’s valuation at > https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/7778/1/Smyth%202008.pdf > > > > One of my biggest frustrations using the Askaboutireland database (and the > censuses) is that they sometimes do not use the spelling of the townland name > that we use now, or made an error, so it does not come up on a search (you > cannot select “Include similar names” when searching for places). You need > to be a bit imaginative and try different spellings, or search for the person > (rather than a place) and then scroll through the pages of results – though > of course the spellings of names are inconsistent because many people at the > time were illiterate and the spelling was guessed (my Moffits, > Moffitts,Moffetts, Moffats, Moffatts). > > > > Regards > > Roger Cousens > > > > From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 7 January 2022 10:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: barry woolner <[email protected]>; Len Swindley > <[email protected]> > Subject: [EXT] [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 > > > > External email: Please exercise caution > > > > Hello Barry, > > > > My hard copy is dated 1858, but Griffiths was a compilation of several years > prior to that. > > > > Regards, > > Len Swindley > > From: barry woolner via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 7 January 2022 7:24 PM > To: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Cc: barry woolner <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 > > > > Hi Jim/Len, > > re the post on 31/12/2021- could you tell me what year this was please? > Great site. Appreciate the work. Have a save and happy 2022. Barry > > Index to Griffiths Valuation Camus Parish (Strabane), Co. Tyrone, Northern > Ireland > > > From: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Sent: 31 December 2021 16:30 > To: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Subject: CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 953, Issue 1 > > > > Send CoTyroneList mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CoTyroneList digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New Content - Index to Griffiths Valuation Camus Parish, Co. 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