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At 04:48 PM 10/3/02 -0800, Pete Thomson wrote:


Evening all, I had an experience which I thought I would ask for some
input on. The glass tube on the nose tank gauge started coming out of the
aluminum gas cap about 30 minutes after take off. 


That's happened to me! Very distracting, because you think of it as a
vertical
point of reference over the curving cowl, and when it tips to one side,
you have
to work at NOT looking at it (which is hard to do when landing :-) ).



It came out very slowly but was at about 1/4 inch out when I noticed. It
did not appear to move any more but I thought about the syphoning issue
and headed back for home, it was loose and came out easily on the ground.
I fixed it and then continued my 4 hour flight. The question I have is
this :- in your opinion is the hole through which the wire goes big enough
to allow the propwash to syphon all the gas out of the header tank faster
than the gas would normally get returned to the wing tanks? I am sure at
least one of you has hit a bird or something and had this experience, my
concerns were twofold, one running out of gas and two the fire hazzard
from the gas getting on the alternator in the engine compt. Your thoughts
and experiences with this would be appreciated. The nose tank gas cap on
my Coupe is vented towards the front.


I think you were right to land and fix it. But no, it isn't going to
siphon all the gas 
out. Think about it...the gas doesn't touch the cap except when the tank
is really
full or you're pitched up and the tank is pretty full.

That said, any time something is out of the ordinary, you may as well land
and 
fix it rather than have some un-foreseen consequence of something
seemingly
innocuous turn a problem into an emergency.

But, look at the relationship of the cap to the firewall... the firewall
is several inches
forward of the cap, which is really about vertically aligned with your
knees. Gas
that spurts from there tends to just get channeled down the windshield
rubber 
and doesn't make it far before the slipstream turns it into vapor.

Also, the cowling (together with the big hunkin' grommet around the filler
neck) pretty
much assures that unless gas can crawl against the blast of wind coming
from 
the cowling, it's not going to find the alternator.

If you wanted to stop the siphoning or spurting in short order, you could
have 
shut off the flow of fuel to the header tank either via the valve or (on
an O-200 
conversion) the fuel-pump switch. Then you'd still have the better part of
an hour
to land, assuming you didn't turn it back on to add some more fuel to the
header.

If I fill both wing tanks pretty high with the header tank full, the
overflow seems
to back up, leading to some squirting during taxiing. When that happens, I
just
kill the electric fuel pump until the header is down a pint or so from the
tippy-top,
and after that all is happy again. If I remember, I tend to turn off said
pump during
the taxi from the last landing to the gas pumps, and that makes some
'room' in
the system so I don't make a mess. The electric pump, unlike the
mechanical 
one, doesn't get any less efficient at taxi RPMs, so the fine balance in
the system
gets a bit upset if things are really full.

Greg
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