Good post, Bob. I don't think anyone who is a licensed pilot took the "firewall it" comment seriously. I started the cross-wind string. I have quite a bit of experience landing my 'Coupe in cross-winds and it isn't usually a problem. What I was really interested in hearing about is the situation where you make a crabbed touchdown just fine but, suddenly, the upwind wing rises from a gust just at the moment your nose begins to swing toward the centerline of the runway. Usually I've just ridden it out till the wing settles again. A few weeks ago, however, I had the wing rise quite high....very high....higher than ever before. While I didn't lose control, the sensation was, well....."spiritual" so to speak. I rode it out with a little forward pressure on the yolk since my nose was also high although, I think my nose wheel was barely touching the runway. This made me think about such unexpected gusts (no warning from ATIS or the tower) and what procedure would be best to counteract the gust. Most of the subsequent posts addressed the proper way to set-up for a cross wind, however. Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bob Saville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Caution
>Donald A.. Russell wrote: >> >> Amen, Amen, Amen!! >> Don >> ---------- >> > From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Caution >> > Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 1:52 PM >> > >> > I have watched the exchanges on x-wind landings over the last couple of >> > days. Different pilots employ "personal strategies" on different aspects >> of >> > flight, and, for the most part they are pretty harmless. However, I would >> > caution one not to give advice that is clearly NOT a personal strategy >> that >> > should be utilized. I am referring to the individual who said "firewall" >> > the throttle to straighten it out, then back off the power. We all know, >> or >> > should, that one of the high risk times in a plane is when you are low >> and >> > slow. The final moments of a landing should be made with very very small >> > incremental changes. I'm sorry, but firewalling the throttle to do >> anything >> > other than a go-around is patently absurd. An accomplished pilot will >> never >> > touch that throttle once he has set up his glide on final except in cases >> > of moderate shear, even with a strong crosswind. We, as a group, need to >> be >> > prudent when giving suggestions. I doubt that anyone on the list is a >> > qualified test pilot, and when you fly an airplane outside the envelope >> or >> > in a manner not prescribed in the POH, you are operating as a test pilot. >> > Now, if you want to do that, it is your life. BUT don't put it out there >> as >> > a "walk in the park." What the sky does not need ....is one more cowboy. >> > >> > Keith >> > N5663F > >GREAT POST KEITH ! ! ! > > Let me jump in here for a minute and give my 2 cents worth. I was going >to stay out of this one, but I can't resist any longer, here goes.. > > Let's all forget, for just a moment, everything that has been posted in >the last few days about x-wind landings and think for ourselves with an >uncluttered mind about everyone elses input and comments. > > If an airplane is flying along at cruise (or less) and you apply full >throttle, what is going to happen? Right, your speed will increase in >the direction that the nose is pointed. BASIC COMMON SENSE. > Now, with that in mind, let's assume that we are on final with a 45 >degree left x-wind. We are in a slight crab (to the left) and are >gliding (slipping if I may use that word to a bunch of coupers) straight >down towards the centerline of the runway. (Remember now, we are >actually flying a little bit sideways because we are such great pilots >that we have balanced our "glide" and our "power" to counteract for the >wind) >Is everybody with me so far? Okay, IF the wind remains constant, IF our >glide is proper, IF our decent is as good as we'd planned, then when our >main gear touches the ground we will feel and/or hear a slight chirp and >we will be down solidly on the ground and we can 'drive' our wonderful >little coupe to the hangar. > > Now, everything else being the same except we find we need a little >extra power to make the field and we get all worried cause we're new at >this and we firewall it, what happens? Like we said above, add power >and you increase speed in whatever direction the nose is pointed. >In this case we head off at a 45 degree angle into the boondocks, parked >planes, hangars, or whatever is along the left side of the field from >where we were at when we applied full power. I've never seen a >Continental, Lycoming or even a big 'round' engine that had enough >torque to make a plane do a 45 degree (or any degree) turn. > > I think the person who made the original comment about "fire-walling" >it was probably not a pilot and just jumped in here to talk with the >pilots and we all took it as though it was from one of us. Maybe I'm >wrong but I hope not, I'd hate to think that an experienced pilot would >make such a mistake. Let's all hope that he really isn't a pilot, >because I don't want to read about such a tragic manouver in the >accident section of any of the magazines. > > Okay, I think I got more than 2 cents worth off of my chest, so I'll >get out of here now. Thanks for listening. > >Bob Saville >N3396H 415C >Eugene, OR
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