****** OWNERS Thoughts More people are KILLED by high sink rate than anything else I have read.
I still stand by the information given The request was, "in a emergency what is the safest way to perform a off airport landing with no flaps and no rudder" The example is text book, it does work. Do to the design of the Coupe, it can be placed on the ground safely at 80(maybe more) mph. If you need to stop the Coupe while covering the least amount of ground the example given is one way to do it. Standing on the breaks before touch down will provide more effective braking then landing first then applying the breaks.... I felt that I wanted to be proficient, so I did stand on the breaks once for practice. Should you do it? that is up to you. May be by your reading about how to do it, you won't have to do it your self unless it is for real... Ron Burke N2273H -----Original Message----- From: Charles McKinnie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom Laird-McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ercoupe List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 10:48 AM Subject: Re: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission from [Bob Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >I heartily concur with Bob Urban's e-mail. Good airspeed control is critical >to getting the airplane down where you want it. 75 MPH works very well in >my Forney. On a calm day, I might go to 70 but no lower. A hint from my >glider instructing days ( and applies to airplanes), pick a spot 100-200 >(may vary depending on wind) feet short of where you want to actually touch >down. That is the aim point. If the point appears to move away, you are to >low and will not make the desired touchdown spot. If it is moving under your >nose you are to high and appropriate action has to be taken. Again, the key >is a constant airspeed. I have always taught my students that a good landing >starts with a good pattern and good airspeed control. Again a word of >caution is in order. Airspeed indicators may vary in accuracy. 75 works well >for my airplane. Someone else's may indicate high or low. Better idea, apply >1.3 to 1.4 to the indicated stall speed of your airplane. Might not be a bad >idea to get your ASI checked for accuracy as well. A final thought. >Standing on the brakes is not recommend unless it is an absolute emergency >must stop situation. > >Regards > >Chuck McKinnie >N3050G, GEU >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Laird-McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Ercoupe List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:43 AM >Subject: FW: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission from [Bob >Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > > >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:10 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Non-member submission from [Bob >>Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >> >> >>>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 3 21:04:55 1998 >>Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net >>[204.127.131.36]) by mailinglist.net (8.8.5) id VAA14802; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 >>21:04:54 -0600 (MDT) >>Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.66.96.204]) >> by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) >> with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:04:16 +0000 >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:05:53 -0700 >>From: Bob Urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>To: Ron Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Coupe-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> ">"@worldnet.att.net >>Subject: Re: Practice forced landing in a coupe >>References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>Hello all, >> >>In my view and experience, the procedure below is a formula for >>disaster and will eventually get somebody killed. >> >>I don't even fly my Coupe at 60 MPH in a straight line close to the >>ground PERIOD, much less banking left and right 20-40 degrees too! >>Most GA fatalities (including gliders) happen during the base/final >>phase of landing...... too low/too slow and maybe uncoordinated. >> >>If the air is turbulent and gusty, kiss your butt goodbye if your >>Coupe flies anything like mine! Better fly 1.3 to 1.4 times stall >>on final in a straight line if there is a fond desire to grow old! >> >>Spot landings cannot be achieved reliably by gyrating all over the >>sky while varying airspeed all over the place to boot! >> >>A key to knowing where your plane is going to land is to pick a speed >>that is safe and do not vary it at all! Then you have a controlled >>environment that affords you a reasonable chance to gauge your >>progress towards a PREDICTABLE touchdown. >> >>A 3 degree descent on approach in my Coupe using VASI is 1700 RPM >>and 75 MPH. Easy on the nerves and very safe. >>Touchdown point is guaranteed! ;+) >> >>I practice power off landings extensively in the Coupe. There seems to >>be no short cut to get good at it even after 46 years of experience for >>me. A Tri-Pacer/Pacer gives results similar to the Coupe. >> >>Normal patterns where I fly are 800' AGL. Entering at 1000' can have you >>descending on top of an a/c already in the pattern at 800'. Why give up >>any margin of safety. >> >>My Coupe has Goodyear brakes. Goodyear parts are very expensive. >>I treat them with great care. Don't want to break my brakes! >>In fact, my goal is not to use them at all. With good planning very >>little braking is ever called for. >> >>The name of the game is........ FINESSE. >> >>My background? >>CFI, ASMEL, Commercial, instrument, retired AG & charter pilot >> >>Regards, >>Bob Urban - Ercoupe 415-C N99784 >> Schreder HP14 glider >> >>======================================================================== == = >= >>= >>> ******** How I practice for this situation >>> >>> I enter the pattern at 1000' AGL, on down wind I reduce power to 2000 >>rpm, >>> and look for 80 mph. carry this power and airspeed to final and you will >>be >>> high and fast. DO NOT STALL the aircraft but reduce power to idle and >>pull >>> the nose up to slow to 60mph, now I start to S turn using 20-40 degrees >to >>> left and right, WATCH THE AIR SPEED!!! DO NOT allow >>> it to go below 60mph.... You will find that these S turns will increase >>you >>> decent just like a slip, and you will dissipate more energy. At about >>> 150-200 ft above the "arrival" spot you should level the wing, lower the >>> nose and increase Airspeed to 70mph (I have a D model) stand on the >breaks >>> and land normally. (if this were real I might slow to 60 BUT NO MORE). >>Yes >>> the order is correct STAND on the breaks and put the aircraft on the >>ground, >>> >>> ***********End Owners View >> >> >
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