why don't you go get an oil anly'sys, and at least know if you have a
engine
making METAL....then, you will know for sure wth is going on....don't
quess...find out, and it only costs pennies...jolly

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> There is a need for much more information in order to diagnose problems
such
> as these.  Was the oil pressure in flight ok during the winter and
spring but
> now it is too low?  What sort of oil temperature do you see?  What is
the oil
> temp at idle?  What is the oil temp at startup? How long does it take
for the
> idle oil temp to stabilize at 35  after the first startup? (This no
longer
> counts since the mechanic has changed the relief valve.)  When did you
last
> change the oil and with what grade? (Straight 50 weight such as Shell
100
> would be correct for this engine.)
>
> Think of your oil system in this way:  The oil pump delivers oil in a
volume
> that is proportional to engine speed.  The oil in the oil galleries
flows
> past the bearings in proportion to the pressure and inversely
proportional to
> viscosity.  The oil pressure relief valve is a coarse regulator which
begins
> to limit pressure at 35 lbs ( higher in yours).  It is common practice
to
> shim the relief valve spring on the assumption that it has weakened over
time
> and is the cause of your low oil pressure.  This is seldom the case and
your
> relief valve should be returned to its' original configuration at some
> convenient time.  The function of the valve is to prevent damage to the
> engine when the oil is too thick. I had a car engine which would rupture
the
> oil filter on each startup because the valve was frozen.
>
> When you feel like running your engine we need to know how the pressure
> behaves during flight.  What is the pressure when you take off?  The oil
will
> be thick and the pump will be able to achieve the pressure set by the
relief
> valve until the oil warms up unless something else is wrong.    When you
> level at cruise does the oil pressure follow rpm?  Do you have higher
> pressure at 2500 than at 2200 rpm?  If so then you have a loose engine
or
> thin oil.  If not then you have a faulty gauge or relief valve.  What is
the
> oil pressure at idle on landing?  If the engine is loose I expect to
find
> something like 5 to 10 psi.  higher than that suggests that the engine
is ok
> internally.
>
> Should you find that the engine is really loose then you are very close
to
> splitting the case and spending a lot of money.  The last thing that you
may
> choose to do is remove the cylinders and measure the clearance of the
rod
> bearings.  The measurement is performed with plastigauge which your
mechanic
> is well familiar with.  If you find that the rod bearings are loose then
you
> may suspect that the mains are also loose but there is no way to measure
them
> without splitting the case.  Before removing the cylinders your mechanic
> should check the torque of the crankcase through bolts.  If they are
loose
> then the case may be loose enough to allow a main bearing to spin in the
case
> which would not be visible until the case is split but would be a big
> problem.
>
> You don't want to think about it but if you should end up rebuilding
your
> engine and need a crankshaft, there is an STC allowing the use of an
O-200
> crankshaft in the C-85.  You get to change the pistons and rods too but
you
> get a 6% larger engine and the O-200 shaft is $1000 cheaper than the
C-85
> shaft.
>
> My last overhaul is like yours kind of vague.  It was done some time ago
in a
> log book now lost so I knew when I bought the plane that the engine
might
> need overhaul at any time.  It turned out that three of the cylinders
were
> pretty junky at 400 hours but the lower end of my engine has shown no
> troubles.
>
> Good luck
> Bob Condon

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