This doesn't look like a relevant test.  I have an account on a box on an
ISP which uses Postini, and the use of couriertls from the CLI, as quoted
below (w.o. addcr), hangs. However if I turn on ESMTP_USE_STARTTLS in
courierd and actually send an email to the account, it goes through, and
includes the following header:

Received: from source ([192.207.27.55]) (using TLSv1) by 
exprod6mx93.postini.com ([64.18.5.10]) with SMTP;
        Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:20:32 EST

So a) the CLI couriertls test doesn't detect the problem, and b) the problem
isn't universal to all Postini mail servers.  They may have fixed it, and I
have no way of knowing without turning ESMTP_USE_STARTTLS back on and
waiting for customers to complain.

Thus spake Lindsay Haisley on Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 10:08:50AM CST
> I think Jerry or someone pointed this out yesterday.
> 
> # addcr | TLS_VERIFYPEER=NONE couriertls -host=64.18.4.10 -port=25 
> -protocol=smtp
> 220 Postini ESMTP 127 y5_2_3c1 ready.  CA Business and Professions Code
> Section 17538.45 forbids use of this system for unsolicited electronic mail
> advertisements.
> STARTTLS
> 220 Go ahead
> ehlo fmp.com
> 250-Postini says hello back
> 250-8BITMIME
> 250 HELP
> mail from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 250 Ok
> rcpt to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 250 Ok
> data
> 354 Feed me
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: testing TLS 
> 
> Testing to see if Postini has their TLS problem 
> fixed yet.
> .
> 250 Thanks
> quit
> 221 Catch you later
> Unexpected SSL connection shutdown.
> 
> 
> ... no problems there :-)
> 
> 
> Can someone explain to me what's going on here?  Why does this work _with_
> newlines piped through addcr and yet it hangs _at the EOM marker_ without
> addcr.  Other ESMTP commands processed in the course of the dialog are
> processed properly, but not in the context of the payload transfer.
> 
> Is Courier perhaps failing to send a <CR> in this particular context? 
> Manually sending ^M^J doesn't so the same thing.
> 
> On the other hand, I've been using the same (slightly old) version of
> Courier for many months and had no problems at all with systems using
> Postini mail servers, and since they advertise secure email I'm sure that a
> lot of traffic has gone out to their servers from mine in an SSL context.
> 
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