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On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Jeannine <[email protected]>wrote: > I was about to mention Deskbookers.nl, and you beat me to it. Here's > the thing: there are several different groups looking for a coworking > space. One, and the one that is the easiest to serve from a portal > perspective, is the mobile worker who wants a drop in desk or the > folks who want a room for a meeting or a workshop. They are the early > adopters and they are the ones most likely to use a portal. But > unless you are Seats2meet (which incidentally mostly does not use > portals) or easyoffice (ditto) they are not the majority of most > coworking spaces' business. > > I like Frank a lot and I like Desbookers a lot also. But other than > as a way to get the name of your space under the eyes of many people, > such a portal isn't particularly helpful in terms of long term > relationships (which is what the core business is, at least for a lot > of us). It encourages the perception of coworking as a place where > people drop in for one day, pay as little as possible, and then go > away. This in turn encourages a race to the bottom in which everybody > is trying to exploit everybody else as much as possible. This would > be something closer to De Oude Onzin than it is to Het Nieuwe Werken. > > Worksnug, on the other hand (the webpage and the app) has scales for > number of power outlets, number of dataports, refreshements available, > community, noise level, and formal areas, as well as whether > membership is required. Now, worksnug is not about booking, it is > about locating. But the Coworking Registry is also not about booking > but about locating. So I don't think I (myself) would be willing to > subsume it all to a question of price per desk, which is what I think > the proposed grid does. It's not a booking site. > > Jeannine > On Feb 28, 1:26 pm, Joel Haasnoot <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "Make the fields fillinable and you'll find more adapters." > > > > I'm all with you on that from the perspective of coworking spaces. > > However, it's painfully hard software-wise to compare dissimilar > > options. > > > > I'm developer for a booking portal for coworking spaces, and we > > decided to standardise on workspace categories (i.e "open > > workspace"/desk, "closed workspace"/an office, or "meeting rooms" of > > various sizes). This makes price comparisons between different spaces > > much much easier, and per category spaces can still specify the > > facilities that are available to that category of workspace. If you > > allow spaces to provide their own categories it becomes very > > complicated very quickly, and it's almost impossible to compare price > > because of the dissimilarity of what's offered. > > > > I'd stick with a couple of standardized options for the > > coworkregistry, or risk not having a good comparison tool. > > > > Joel Haasnoot > > Developer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 02:28, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Our 2cents. One size fits all does not fit coworking. When it comes > to > > > membership costs there are Different models, different overheads, > > > different cultures, different economy, diffferent values, etc. Even > when > > > it comes to naming levels. Hotdesk vs Flexdex, and so on. Make the > > > fields fillinable and you'll find more adapters. > > > > > Chad > > > The Creative Space > > > Barrie, Ontario, Canada > > > Www.thecreativespace.ca > > > > > Jonathan, > > > > >> I caution against any form of standardization. I know it makes it > easier > > >> for the software, but this is a community of individuals that can't > even > > >> decide on the definition of coworking. We each know it in our hearts, > and > > >> that is enough. I'm trying to summarize quickly for the sake of > fitting > > >> this into an email but that right there is a crucial factor in how > this > > >> community sticks together. It's a subtle nuance that can be really > > >> difficult to wrap your head around but it's critically important. > That > > >> might sound like something that is difficult to work with but it is > also > > >> really easy to make solutions with this in mind if you don't try to > fight > > >> it. Our current tools, the google group and the wiki page, are > > >> all-inclusive and neutral and no one has to conform to any standard to > > >> participate. I've spent a lot of time studying why these tools work > for > > >> us, > > >> despite all the drawbacks people love to debate. > > > > >> Again, it's really tricky for me to explain this via email and I look > > >> forward to talking about this more over beers in Austin. Am I just > being > > >> cryptic here or does this make sense to people? Anyone care to > paraphrase > > >> what I'm trying to get at here? > > > > >> Jacob > > > > >> --- > > >> Office Nomads - Individuality without Isolation > > >>http://www.officenomads.com- (206) 323-6500 > > > > >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Yankovich < > > >> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> Hi All, > > > > >>> I'm working on adding more metadata to coworkingregistry.org and one > of > > >>> the things we identified was having rates information for various > > >>> membership > > >>> levels. Now, I KNOW that each facility has different membership > levels > > >>> that > > >>> offer different levels of service, access, etc, but for the purposes > of > > >>> standardization and communication, I'd like to identify some common > > >>> membership levels. > > > > >>> Currently, when I look at most spaces' web sites, I see the following > > >>> levels: > > > > >>> 1) Drop-In - A one-day pass to work while the space is open, like > a > > >>> 9-5 > > >>> Hotdesk member but for one day. (No storage.) > > > > >>> 2) Hotdesk 9-5 - Access to a desk/chair/resources every day that > the > > >>> space has open hours. No key. Bring your laptop, take it when you > > >>> leave. > > >>> "Leave no trace" coworking, unless a project locker is provided. > > > > >>> 3) Hotdesk 24/7 - Access to a desk/chair/resources as well as a > > >>> key/card/code so you can access the space whenever you want. > > > > >>> 4) Permadesk - Your own established desk with whatever storage is > > >>> provided. Commonly you might leave a laptop or desktop computer at > your > > >>> desk. Permadesk generally includes 24/7 access (key/card/code). > > > > >>> There are generally higher "tenant" or "anchor tenant" types of > members, > > >>> but these are usually custom/contract relationships and not something > > >>> that > > >>> needs advertising. It might be valuable to have a "Looking for > anchor > > >>> tenant" option on coworkingregistry, but saying more than that is > > >>> probably > > >>> not necessary. > > > > >>> So what does everyone think of these 4 general levels of membership? > > > > >>> Are these good names, or are there better names for these things? Do > > >>> these > > >>> names translate well into other languages? > > > > >>> Remember that the exact offering will vary from space to space in > terms > > >>> of > > >>> the hours of availability, additional amenities, access to > > >>> meetup/conference > > >>> room spaces, and so on. I dont propose that we try to agree on > those, > > >>> or > > >>> get spaces to change what they offer. What I'm trying to establish > is a > > >>> few > > >>> general/base levels of membership that we can use to talk about > > >>> membership > > >>> across spaces in a general way. For example, everyone generally > knows > > >>> what > > >>> a day-pass or drop-in is. Does this make sense? > > > > >>> See you in Austin, > > > > >>> -- > > >>> -Jonathan Yankovich @tronathan > > >>> Community Advocate, Madison Coworking > > >>> Preferred contact: > > >>> 1. skype: jonathanyankovich > > >>> 2. twitter: tronathan > > >>> 3. gtalk/email: [email protected] > > >>> 4. phone: (608) 513 2012 > > >>> more info:http://coworkingregistry.org > > >>> more info:http://madisoncoworking.com > > >>> please follow @tronathan @coworkregistry @coworkmadison > > > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>> Groups > > >>> "Coworking" group. > > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>> [email protected]. > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. > > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "Coworking" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> [email protected]. > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Coworking" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Coworking" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/coworking?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Coworking" group. 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