Indeed. My comments are reflective more of logic not the lawfulness/compliance of ADA in new construction/remodels. There's a logic in my thought that no one using a wheelchair could get upstairs so the size of the closet doesn't matter. If they are sight/hearing/cane using, then size of closet wouldn't matter. Again, this is logic based, not ADA law-based.
The historic building that Cohere Bandwidth is in was completely remodeled so is ADA on the inside but the 8 in step up to our door remained due to landmark preservation. So, again, the logic of having an 8 inch step-up makes no sense even *if* the interior is completely ADA. So while ADA is super critical and important, it doesn't often seam together even with existing buildings when you have landmark rules in the mix. On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:08:34 AM UTC-6, Jerome wrote: > > Clarification: ADA covers all disabilities, even those with a cane, > partially/fully blind, etc. ADA isn’t just for those in wheelchairs. > So yeah, that means some disabled people can climb all those stairs. :-/ > > > *JEROME CHANG* > > talk to us: (323) 330-9505 > chat w/ us: http://www.BLANKSPACES.com/chat <https://lc.chat/now/7173741/> > > *WEST: Santa Monica* | 1450 2nd St (@Broadway) > *CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire* | 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) > *EAST: Downtown* | 529 S. Broadway, Ste 4000 (@Pershing Square) > > On May 15, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Angel Kwiatkowski <fccow...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > Yeah, if someone with a disability somehow found themselves up our 3 > exterior stairs, then over a high threshold then up not 1 but 2 flights of > stairs into the coworking space--yes, they would probably be upset with our > small closets. > > On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 8:58:29 AM UTC-6, Jerome wrote: >> >> and before Jerome freaks out about ADA, our building is not ADA >> accessible *at all*. You have to take stairs to get anywhere as it was >> built in 1968 so we didn't have to comply with those modern standards. >> >> >> haha. No freaking out. Just advising from the point of view as both an >> architect and coworking owner/operator. >> FYI, ADA compliant doesn’t mean 100% of your office or building is >> compliant. However, when you renovate/add in general, you would make at >> least those items compliant. >> Not complying basically says you’re ok with or intentionally >> discriminating against others. Sorry, not to sound harsh, but that’s the >> intent of the federal level of this law. >> >> But yes, like Angel said, make do with what you have. >> >> >> *JEROME CHANG* >> >> talk to us: (323) 330-9505 >> chat w/ us: http://www.BLANKSPACES.com/chat >> <https://lc.chat/now/7173741/> >> >> *WEST: Santa Monica* | 1450 2nd St (@Broadway) >> *CENTRAL: Mid-Wilshire* | 5405 Wilshire Blvd (2 blocks west of La Brea) >> *EAST: Downtown* | 529 S. Broadway, Ste 4000 (@Pershing Square) >> >> On May 15, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Angel Kwiatkowski <fccow...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I think the necessity for phone booths is often born in spaces that are >> smaller and where you can't get away from one another. Our first space had >> 1 space to hide in for calls and it just wasn't enough. For the past 5 >> years, we've had a large closet split into 2 rooms >> http://coherecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Phone_Rooms_Cohere_Coworking_Space.jpg. >> >> They are very small. 3'x4' and before Jerome freaks out about ADA, our >> building is not ADA accessible *at all*. You have to take stairs to get >> anywhere as it was built in 1968 so we didn't have to comply with those >> modern standards. >> >> Here's the kicker, there is no ventilation in those rooms so after an >> hour you kind of have to leave or you'll die of heatstroke. >> >> Other places to take calls if the phone rooms aren't your preference: >> patio, landing, microniche (another closet turned phone/work area but with >> just a curtain for privacy), drop in conference room, living room. We also >> set the expectation in our orientation packet that you can ask the room >> before you take a call. If it's merely a conference call where you will sit >> quietly until you give your update, then we will usually allow you to just >> stay at your desk. >> >> And like Alex said, if people need to be on the phone much of the day >> (salespeople) I usually steer them away from Cohere before they join. >> Here is a picture of the microniche: >> http://coherecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Micronice2_Cohere_Space.jpg >> And of the landing where people go to take calls >> http://coherecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Landing_Chair_Cohere_Coworking_Space.jpg >> >> Also notable: you don't have to decide what to do until after you open. >> >> Angel >> >> On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 4:08:06 PM UTC-6, Kevin Haggerty wrote: >>> >>> As we start to map out how we're going to layout and organize our space, >>> something we're looking at now is how to provide spaces for phone calls. >>> This is a little tricky because we're upstairs, and also, we don't have a >>> lot of room to work with. >>> >>> That said, we do have several closets that we don't really need for >>> storage, and were playing with the idea of converting them into phone >>> booths. >>> >>> The thought is to replace the doors with ones that have a glass panel, >>> so to create the illusion of more space (less claustrophobic), and to add >>> an aesthetically pleasing hanging light, a stool or stoop seat that doesn't >>> take up much space, a small floating shelf for laptop/phone, an outlet to >>> plug in devices, and some soundproofing panels to help deaden the sound. >>> >>> Have any of you ever tried anything like this? 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